How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

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yankee451 said:
Oh you're so quick to split hairs - okay then, the vast majority of a 757, practically none of which was visible above ground from a wide angle shot. The only parts that are shown are in tight photographs where you can't identify the location. 80 percent dug out of the ground after the plane shaped hole re-sealed itself behind the jet. Specific enough?



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Hat-tip to KT.
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Well the dirt went up, the dirt came down.
 
yankee451 said:
The JASSM was absoltely in small scale production at that time.
Low-rate initial production decision for JASSM is in the year 2000
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/jassm.htm
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Actually, after some test problems, the low rate production was move to 2002, with delivery scheduled for 2003.

And why did you leave this part of the article out?

In December 1998 the development of JASSM was slowed, following concerns that the program�s development schedule was "too aggressive." The engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase was extended from 34 to 40 months. Another reason given for the extended schedule was that the Theater Battle Management Core System, on which the JASSM will rely, is not yet year 2000-compliant. The JASSMs, costing approximately $300,000 per unit, will be tested beginning in February 1999 at Eglin and at White Sands Missile Range.
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http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/jassm.htm

What part of “test flight” do you not understand?
 
fess said:
Actually, after some test problems, the low rate production was move to 2002, with delivery scheduled for 2003.

And why did you leave this part of the article out?



http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/jassm.htm

What part of “test flight” do you not understand?
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Maybe when they hit a tree they realized they needed to go back to the drawing board. Let me see if I understand you correctly, you first claimed they weren't in production, and then when I prove they WERE in production, you then claim they had post-production problems which proves they weren't in production? And from there, what's the next step in your logic? Not in production = not in existence? Is that about the nutshell?

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yankee451 said:
Maybe when they hit a tree they realized they needed to go back to the drawing board. Let me see if I understand you correctly, you first claimed they weren't in production, and then when I prove they WERE in production, you then claim they had post-production problems which proves they weren't in production? And from there, what's the next step in your logic? Not in production = not in existence? Is that about the nutshell?

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Since you ask in a nice way, I will once again try to keep it simple so you may understand.

So you think that the test phase is the same as a production phase?

ETA: Isn’t it funny that the one missile fired from the southwest hit a tree, but the missile fired from the west missed all of those trees at a 10 deg. AOA?
 
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fess said:
Since you ask in a nice way, I will once again try to keep it simple so you may understand.

So you think that the test phase is the same as a production phase?

ETA: Isn’t it funny that the one missile fired from the southwest hit a tree, but the missile fired from the west missed all of those trees at a 10 deg. AOA?
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If you can show documentation that the missiles weren't in existence at the time, please sing out, until then I've only heard complaints.

If I were to be targetting the missiles I would have chosen a different location further away from the trees, but I don't know their mindset so I don't know why the crater was placed there, only that it appears to have been caused by two JASSM missiles striking in crossfire at trajectories of about ten degrees from horizontal. If I am incorrect on my guess, the engineering model will sort it out but until that time I have yet to see anyone offer any serious rebuttal. The trees would either be an issue for the missiles or they wouldn't be.

I have speculated they misfired one and set the trees on fire. I didn't state it as fact, I was simply demonstrating how an airburst detonation could account for the scorched trees. Perhaps it was deliberately detonated in the trees to make it look more like a jet crash, explaining why the crater was placed so close to the trees. All I know is the crater fits the bill for missiles in crossfire and until I prove or disprove that with an engineering model, speculating on their decision making process is premature.

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Mudcat said:
Odd how Conspiracy Theorists in general and Truthers in particular go to such great lengths to avoid coming to the most reasonable conclusion.
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I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my conclusions are limited to what's possible in the real world. You folks seem to have a different decision making process; it appears your research is limited to looking around to see what everyone else is doing before making up your minds.
 
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yankee451 said:
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my conclusions are limited to what's possible in the real world. You folks seem to have a different decision makting process; it appears your research is limited to looking around to see what everyone else is doing before making up your minds.
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If you think your 'theory' is even remotely possible in the real world then you're sorely mistaken.
 
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Wow

yankee451 said:
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my conclusions are limited to what's possible in the real world. You folks seem to have a different decision makting process; it appears your research is limited to looking around to see what everyone else is doing before making up your minds.
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LOL, not a thing you say happened on 911 is possible in the real world. Your parents know it, your bother and sister know it. You are the only person who has your fantasy. An impossible fantasy.

A missile not in production, in test, and out of 5 missions, only 2 worked. This was in 2003 and 2004... Why did you pick a missile not in operation until 2009?

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My point is they’ve been too indoctrinated to be able to think critically anymore, and if they get too close to real reality, their cognitive dissonance kicks in and then there’s no reaching them. Dad didn’t like me noticing the similarity between the words “doctorate” and “indoctrinate”, but that’s the subject of another rant.
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yankee451 said:
http://yankee451.com/2012/02/28/911-for-psychos/
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You are so far into your fantasy, everyone who understands 911 for the past 10 years are called liars, or like your parents, brother and sister, unable to think critically. Which is a very ironic considering you have a fantasy so far down the rabbit hole, you reached new depths of nonsense.

I take evidence from multiple sources to confirm Flight 93 impacted.

I am not fooled by your lies. I have the RADAR data, I have the FDR, I have witness statements.

I have been trained to investigate aircraft accident by the USAF. The crash site for 93 is typical of a high speed impact. You don't understand physics, or have experience with high angle, high speed impacts, so you resort to lies and fantasy.

You don't understand physics so you make up fantasy.

Your post, is wrong, I think, because it does not make sense. Wow
 
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