How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[yankee451]

You have no proof that missiles could have created the gash.

I disagree.

 

[beachnut]

That's nothing.

You should hear the one about the 757 that disappeared into the ground all the way over here, but damaged trees all the way over there.

That's a magic lung-oyster.

You ignore the tons of debris all over, outside the crater. good luck

You assume so much. ...

You are the one using missiles not in operation till 2009. You beat the assuming and jump right to full fledge silly fantasy. Your parents know your claims are silly; Are you parents lairs too?

I have admitted error several times on these threads, so your deflection missed its mark. ...

Your fantasy is an error. Have you admitted it yet?

I am not acting superior ...

I agree you are not acting superior.

My point is they’ve been too indoctrinated to be able to think critically anymore, and if they get too close to real reality, their cognitive dissonance kicks in and then there’s no reaching them. Dad didn’t like me noticing the similarity between the words “doctorate” and “indoctrinate”, but that’s the subject of another rant.

http://yankee451.com/2012/02/28/911-for-psychos/

Confirmed, you are not acting superior.

I am simply not impressed by credentials. ...

You must be, you keep making a point about not being impressed. By responding to my saying I am a trained aircraft accident investigator, you are impressed. If you were not impressed you would ignore me. I know what it takes to investigate a crash, and with that knowledge I was able to understand 93 quickly when I looked at the evidence you ignore due to your fantasy.

That being said; I agree, who needs a stinking badge? A grade school kid can see your claims are pure BS, 100 percent fantasy; the BIG lie.

You wave your credentials around like bludgeons as if that's the only argument you need to bring. ...

A grade school kid can figure out with evidence your claims is fantasy.

YOU act superior. ...

He is superior on figuring out 911. BINGO

What little valid counter-argument I've seen has been dealt with and the rest has been nothing but condescention from YOU....

You insult people by spreading a failed fantasy. Good luck with the fantasy.

YOU make unproven proclamations and blanket statements without any proof, ...

Proved Proclamations, you can't refute; and don't try.
DNA
http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
RADAR
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
Fantasy is your bag, and you do it poorly.
http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/

but you do flash your paper badges and bask in each other's glory. ...

Paper? lol - you don't like the book learning stuff - your red badge of woo.

If you could prove something you would. ...

When will you prove your fantasy?

Never. The truth.

That I use layman's terms doesn't mean I don't understand the science, ...

You don't understand the science, and you have proved you don't.
Science, DNA
http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf
You don't understand the science,
Science, Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
You don't understand the science,
Science, RADAR
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
You don't understand the science,
Add Purdue study, and the MIT paper;
You don't understand the science.

or what the gash in the ground looks like when a projectile like a rocket or a bullet strikes it at a glancing angle. ...

lol, you used Pyrex balls at 3800 mph which bounce off the crater, and then your fantasy has missiles shot the wrong direction, which bounce off the crater, making your gash back-wards, the wrong direction and flying off into someones house or farm.
You don't understand the science,

Do I need a degree in physics to know what shape that gash will be, ...

It would help, since you ignore physics on everything. You don't have a clue what a high speed crash looks like because you think an aircraft should be sitting there after a 487 knot impact.
You don't understand the science,

or am I the only guy who's ever experimented with firearms and explosives? ...

No, you have not shot the ground at 10 degree and killed your neighbor dog two doors down. You are sounding like McVeigh.

What I hear you saying is you feel threatened by me, ...

You have fantasy, the only threatening thing you mentioned is experimenting with weapons and explosives.

So that's our end point, or at least the end point that gives the government, in their sick minds, the justification to kick the world's ass and take their natural resources.

LOL, we are the Saudi Arabia of coal. Nothing you have is threatening. It is all nonsense.

but if you feel inferior, that's your bag, I can't make you do that. ...

Is this part of your fantasy? Where is your evidence? Have you run low on nonsense. Usually, 911 truth comes to JREF, posts lies and fantasy, then your bucket of nonsense is empty, no more stuff, so you do this. Psychological babble.

You have run out of stuff, and will declare victory and leave. Did you sign up at pilots for truth?

 

[AdMan]

I disagree.

Present the evidence.

And, no, saying "I don't believe this could have happened another way," does not count as evidence of anything except closed-minded stupidity.

 

[yankee451]

Present the evidence.

Read the thread.

 

[yankee451]

You ignore the tons of debris all over, outside the crater. good luck



You are the one using missiles not in operation till 2009. You beat the assuming and jump right to full fledge silly fantasy. Your parents know your claims are silly; Are you parents lairs too?


Your fantasy is an error. Have you admitted it yet?


I agree you are not acting superior.

Confirmed, you are not acting superior.

You must be, you keep making a point about not being impressed. By responding to my saying I am a trained aircraft accident investigator, you are impressed. If you were not impressed you would ignore me. I know what it takes to investigate a crash, and with that knowledge I was able to understand 93 quickly when I looked at the evidence you ignore due to your fantasy.

That being said; I agree, who needs a stinking badge? A grade school kid can see your claims are pure BS, 100 percent fantasy; the BIG lie.


A grade school kid can figure out with evidence your claims is fantasy.


He is superior on figuring out 911. BINGO

You insult people by spreading a failed fantasy. Good luck with the fantasy.


Proved Proclamations, you can't refute; and don't try.
DNA
http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
RADAR
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
Fantasy is your bag, and you do it poorly.
http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/



Paper? lol - you don't like the book learning stuff - your red badge of woo.

When will you prove your fantasy?

Never. The truth.

You don't understand the science, and you have proved you don't.
Science, DNA
http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf
You don't understand the science,
Science, Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
You don't understand the science,
Science, RADAR
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
You don't understand the science,
Add Purdue study, and the MIT paper;
You don't understand the science.

lol, you used Pyrex balls at 3800 mph which bounce off the crater, and then your fantasy has missiles shot the wrong direction, which bounce off the crater, making your gash back-wards, the wrong direction and flying off into someones house or farm.
You don't understand the science,

It would help, since you ignore physics on everything. You don't have a clue what a high speed crash looks like because you think an aircraft should be sitting there after a 487 knot impact.
You don't understand the science,


No, you have not shot the ground at 10 degree and killed your neighbor dog two doors down. You are sounding like McVeigh.

You have fantasy, the only threatening thing you mentioned is experimenting with weapons and explosives.

LOL, we are the Saudi Arabia of coal. Nothing you have is threatening. It is all nonsense.


Is this part of your fantasy? Where is your evidence? Have you run low on nonsense. Usually, 911 truth comes to JREF, posts lies and fantasy, then your bucket of nonsense is empty, no more stuff, so you do this. Psychological babble.

You have run out of stuff, and will declare victory and leave. Did you sign up at pilots for truth?

 

[beachnut]

I see your shock and raise you 16.

All your evidence for your missile fantasy?

All our mainstream media are run by psychos and this pattern can be followed from Murdoch, to Guttenberg and beyond. The amount of propaganda required to keep you psycho is endless; with memorizing thousands of years’ worth of psycho propaganda referred to as “history” in our psycho schools.

All of them? Did 60 Minutes turn down your chance to explain to the nation?

First of all, it's not my claim that Jets disappeared into the ground, bored through concrete buildings and sliced through steel buildings - it's their job to prove it. None of the true believers seem to realize that - extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. In looking for that proof, anyone with half a brain can discover it isn't there - because you can't prove a lie, but you can certainly disprove one, and that's what the Crash Test will do.

Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary proof? lol
You say missiles did it? lol, this is not an extraordinary claim, it is an idiotic insane claim.
http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2004/pdf/af/2004JASSM.pdf
All 5 missiles were used in test in 2001, no missiles were available for your fantasy, except in your fantasy. Where you make up covert fantasy, for your fantasy.

Why do you spread fantasy?

I confess I like stirring up the sheepish American...

Another fantasy.

 

[AdMan]

Read the thread.

I have.

You've presented nothing of real substance.

I did catch a few of your very obvious mistakes. Did I miss anything else of interest?

 

[yankee451]

I have.

You've presented nothing of real substance.

I did catch a few of your very obvious mistakes.

If you caught a few, surely you can name them.

 

[AdMan]

If you caught a few, surely you can name them.

How about starting with the idea that the plane is meant to have supposedly disappeared into the ground?

 

[fess]

If it's not in the manual does that mean it can't be done?

Stop trying to be so obtuse.

 

[yankee451]

Stop trying to be so obtuse.

If that wasn't what you meant, why did you bring up the manual? To be sarcastic?

 

[yankee451]

How about starting with the idea that the plane is meant to have supposedly disappeared into the ground?

I thought you said you read the thread.

 

[fess]

If that wasn't what you meant, why did you bring up the manual? To be sarcastic?

Did you ask any other pilot yet?

I haven't been sarcastic yet, but if you want me to, I can. Would that make you feel better?

 

[yankee451]

How about starting with the idea that the plane is meant to have supposedly disappeared into the ground?

Flight 93's estimated speed at the point of impact was 975kmh. In its final moments, it spun 180 degrees, hitting the ground upside down and at a 45-degree angle.

Then, Butler said, there was silence. And the plane disappeared.
The rest of the 757 continued its downward passage, the sandy loam closing behind it like the door of a tomb. Eventually these pieces and its human cargo, the heroes and the cowards, as a message left at the nearby temporary memorial put it, came to rest against solid rock, 23 metres below the surface.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/09/09/1031115990570.html

Who writes this stuff, honestly.

The ground had swallowed up much of the wreckage.
http://www.americancatholic.org/Messenger/Sep2006/Feature2.asp

firefighters said the Boeing 757 tunneled right in. They had to dig 15 feet to find it.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/09/10/news_pf/Worldandnation/Small_town_shoulders_.shtml

At 10:06 a.m., the final services began on a field near Shanksville, Pa., where United Flight 93 burrowed into the ground

Read more here:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2002/09/12/365612/day-of-remembrance.html

 

[yankee451]

Did you ask any other pilot yet?

I haven't been sarcastic yet, but if you want me to, I can. Would that make you feel better?

If you're serious and you can dig up the manual, I am curious what their definition of "aerostable slug is". All sarcasm aside.

 

[beachnut]

I'm talking about the crater, not the wall of text.
Can you be specific about the photographs you linked to please.

Open your eyes. Are you too lazy to look?
Prove each piece is not Flight 93. Make my day, do something more that talk fantasy.

I love your Hitler quote; you quote the biggest loser in history as support for your propaganda. How is that working for you?
http://yankee451.com/2012/02/28/911-for-psychos/

What happened to the Passengers on Flight 93?

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

Easy question, and you can't say where the people are, or what happened to them. Why?

 

[Sceptic-PK]

I (obviously) haven't read the entire thread. Has JAQing off #2342534543 explained what happened to the missing plane and all the passengers?

 

[yankee451]

Open your eyes. Are you too lazy to look?
Prove each piece is not Flight 93. Make my day, do something more that talk fantasy.

I love your Hitler quote; you quote the biggest loser in history as support for your propaganda. How is that working for you?
http://yankee451.com/2012/02/28/911-for-psychos/

What happened to the Passengers on Flight 93?

Easy question, and you can't say where the people are, or what happened to them. Why?

Why is it so difficult to fathom that no jet in the ground means the DNA, the passenger back stories, the flight-paths and everything else associated with the jet must be considered an assumption until it is proven there was a jet in in the ground. This is why I focus on the impacts, because if it can be proven no jet crashed at Shanksville, then all the other questions are moot.

I may be a layperson but I believe, based on the evidence and my humble life experiences, as well as on the capabilities of the missiles, the shape of the gashes, the eye witness accounts and the size of the central crater, that missiles are a better bet than a 757, and until you make a better argument for the gashes, I won't be wasting my time trying to explain the people.

What do you think propagandists do anyway? They make compelling backstories that appeal to emotion, not reason. It is also called advertising.

 

[Reactor drone]

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/09/09/1031115990570.html

Who writes this stuff, honestly.

Um, Gerard Wright?

 

[dafydd]

I (obviously) haven't read the entire thread. Has JAQing off #2342534543 explained what happened to the missing plane and all the passengers?

Nope. No-plane twoofers avoid that question like the plague.