How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[leftysergeant]

So I have an eyewitness to a cruise missile, NASA's figures for oblique meteorite impacts, circumstantial and photographic evidence to support the missile hypothesis.

You have a statement from a traumatized woman who observed an aircraft from her moving vehicle. Worthless.

I am waiting for anyone to contest the evidence or at least use the available evidence to support the conclusion the crater was caused by a jet crash.

It is airplane-shaped and there is stuff like this in the woods down-range.

 

[beachnut]

No estimates were given, no math can be found for Missile Fantasy.

So back on topic, now where was I before I was so rudely interrupted. Again.

Someone was going to demonstrate how my measurements were wrong, because as I keep trying to say - this thread is all about "How the Shanksville Crater Was Made".

As a recap, I have provided estimated measurements showing the hole is unrealistic to have been caused by a jet, even if my estimates are wrong.

I have provided an explanation for the crater that is based on existing technology; JASSM missiles were tested and ready for production in 2000.

Nasa's own photographs show us what a crater looks like when it's caused by a projectile striking at trajectories of less than 10 degrees from horizontal.

The Shanksville crash looks nothing like other high speed jet crashes.

So if missiles in crossfire didn't' make the crater, then now's your chance to show how a jet did.

It was shown a jet did it. You have failed to provide calculations, talk is not math, talk is not physics. You offer up talk, your opinion, using missile not in inventory on 911. Proves your "calculations" are wrong before your realize you don't have calculations, you have fantasy.

You have no estimates.


Proof it was 93.
Ignored by you.
DNA
http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
RADAR
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
Fantasy
http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/
http://yankee451.com/2012/09/11/shanksville-crocodile-tears-for-the-fictional-dead/

The only calculations from you I could find was.

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

Good eye.

In the video I use NASA's photos and calculations for oblique meteorite impacts to estimate the trajectory of the gashes.

Good eye. Starving for Truth is making fun of your fantasy.

The Pyrex balls are going the opposite direction to your missile fantasy. You did not estimate, you made up a fantasy.

Pyrex craters? lol
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1978LPSC....9.3843G&data_type=PDF_HIGH&whole_paper=YES&type=PRINTER&filetype=.pdf

How did you find the Pyrex ball stuff? Amazing you pick stuff at random to form your fantasy. Google a fantasy, lie about 911.

 

[leftysergeant]

So back on topic, now where was I before I was so rudely interrupted. Again.

Someone was going to demonstrate how my measurements were wrong, because as I keep trying to say - this theread is all about "How the Shanksville Crater Was Made".

As a recap, I have provided estimated measurements showing the hole is unrealistic to have been caused by a jet, even if my estimates are wrong.

I have provided an explanation for the crater that is based on existing technology; JASSM missiles were tested and ready for production in 2000.

Nasa's own photographs show us what a crater looks like when it's caused by a projectile striking at trajecories of less than 10 degrees from horizontal.

The Shanksville crash looks nothing like other high speed jet crashes.

So if missiles in crossfire didnt' make the crater, then now's your chance to show how a jet did.

Airplanes hitting a smooth surface and penetrating leave airplane-shaped holes. Explosive ordnance leaves craters with ejecta thrown in serveral directions.

 

[yankee451]

You have a statement from a traumatized woman who observed an aircraft from her moving vehicle. Worthless.

It is airplane-shaped and there is stuff like this in the woods down-range.

"down range"

Other high speed crashes exploded into confetti in all directions, not hundreds of feet away from the impact as a lame way to explain just another screw up by the Z-Team that performed that day. They didn't need the A-Team because they know the American public will believe the TeeVee.

They placed the target too close to the trees. They almost blew it and had to punt.

 

[yankee451]

Airplanes hitting a smooth surface and penetrating leave airplane-shaped holes. Explosive ordnance leaves craters with ejecta thrown in serveral directions.

We're talking about what made the crater at Shanksville, not at the WTC, and not in the South Pacific.

 

[twinstead]

So back on topic, now where was I before I was so rudely interrupted. Again.

Someone was going to demonstrate how my measurements were wrong, because as I keep trying to say - this theread is all about "How the Shanksville Crater Was Made".

As a recap, I have provided estimated measurements showing the hole is unrealistic to have been caused by a jet, even if my estimates are wrong.

I have provided an explanation for the crater that is based on existing technology; JASSM missiles were tested and ready for production in 2000.

Nasa's own photographs show us what a crater looks like when it's caused by a projectile striking at trajecories of less than 10 degrees from horizontal.

The Shanksville crash looks nothing like other high speed jet crashes.

So if missiles in crossfire didnt' make the crater, then now's your chance to show how a jet did.

Plane parts from flight 93 were found in and around the crater, DNA of passengers from flight 93 was found in and around the crater, radar data tracked flight 93 until it disappeared over Shanksville, eye witnesses report seeing flight 93 crash. Emergency personnel and volunteers reported collecting body fragments and plane parts for days.

Flight 93 vanished that day. Nobody who was on board has ever been heard from again.

Hmmm. I wonder what crashed there?

Your theory is idiotic.

 

[leftysergeant]

"down range"

Other high speed crashes exploded into confetti in all directions, not hundreds of feet away from the impact as a lame way to explain just another screw up by the Z-Team that performed that day. They didn't need the A-Team because they know the American public will believe the TeeVee.

They placed the target too close to the trees. They almost blew it and had to punt.

Horse hockey. The debris all moves down-range unless the aircraft goes straight in to relatively soft ground.

Bomb craters show ejecta in all directions.

(BTW, you are trying to put down a veteran with experience as a military fire fighter and who has served with an engineering unit. Best have your ducks lined up beak-to-tail. I get impatient with amateurs who try to sell BS.)

 

[leftysergeant]

We're talking about what made the crater at Shanksville, not at the WTC, and not in the South Pacific.

The rules of physics were not suspended at Shanksville.

 

[beachnut]

451 is spreading lies about Flight 93

"down range"

Other high speed crashes exploded into confetti in all directions, not hundreds of feet away from the impact as a lame way to explain just another screw up by the Z-Team that performed that day. They didn't need the A-Team because they know the American public will believe the TeeVee.

They placed the target too close to the trees. They almost blew it and had to punt.

You are spreading lies.
There was debris in the crater, confetti, from the crater to hundreds of feet away. You have ignored photos of the crash scene.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg

You spread lies because you said.

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

You spread lies for no reason. You called me a liar because I was in the military. You have no evidence for anything you say.

 

[leftysergeant]

Another thing:

You could have spared making yourself look utterly ignorant had you not make your ill-informed comments about the soil at the scene so earlier in your video.

That the soil was dry at Shanksvillew makes the crater that much more likely. The soil there is fill, mostly mine tailings, and would thus behave like glacial till, very loose when dry. Ask any ditch digger. Glacial till is easy to dig in when it is dry, but falls right back in on itself, like this crater did around the temporary channel made by the aircraft.

 

[leftysergeant]

You first. You're the one who claims it's possible. I'm the one who has a better explanation.

You make the less-supported statement, so the burden of proof is on you.

 

[leftysergeant]

If my measurements seem off, please correct them. If 18 inches seems wrong for the measurements of a person's shoulders, sing out. If a two lane road doesn't measure 20 feet, don't take my word for it, do the research to correct me.

I was being generous with these measurements, but if you think they're wrong, by all means, show me where 127 feet of wing disappeared into the ground, including the road base (which are usually crushed rock).

If I'm wrong, show me where.

Do something other than mock.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/120-feet.png[/qimg]

Dude, it is not a county road. It was purpose-built to bring fill to the site when they filled in the mining pit. Why would they build it to last?

 

[Kid Eager]

"down range"

Other high speed crashes exploded into confetti in all directions, not hundreds of feet away from the impact as a lame way to explain just another screw up by the Z-Team that performed that day. They didn't need the A-Team because they know the American public will believe the TeeVee.

They placed the target too close to the trees. They almost blew it and had to punt.

Yet again, fundamentally wrong:

Flight 93 fragmented violently upon impact.

Most of the aircraft wreckage was found near the impact crater.[79] Investigators found some very light debris including paper and nylon scattered up to eight miles (13 km) from the impact point in New Baltimore, Pennsylvania.[80] Other tiny aircraft fragments were found 1.5 miles (2.4 km) away at Indian Lake, Pennsylvania.[81]

All human remains were found within a 70-acre (28 ha) area surrounding the impact point.[81] Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller was involved in the investigation and identification of the remains. In examining the wreckage, the only human body part he could see was part of a backbone.[82] Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg), or eight percent of the total.[83] The rest of the remains were consumed by the impact.[84]

Investigators identified four victims by September 22 and eleven by September 24.[85][86] They identified another by September 29.[87] Thirty-four passengers were identified by October 27.[88] All the people on board the flight were identified by December 21.

Human remains were so fragmented that investigators could not determine whether any victims were dead before the plane crashed. Death certificates for the 40 victims listed the cause of death as homicide and listed the cause of death for the four hijackers as suicide.[89] The remains and personal effects of the victims were returned to the families.[90]

The remains of the hijackers, identified by the process of elimination, were turned over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) as evidence.

 

[yankee451]

Horse hockey. The debris all moves down-range unless the aircraft goes straight in to relatively soft ground.

Bomb craters show ejecta in all directions.

(BTW, you are trying to put down a veteran with experience as a military fire fighter and who has served with an engineering unit. Best have your ducks lined up beak-to-tail. I get impatient with amateurs who try to sell BS.)

Someone's been googling "craters".

That's promising.

 

[yankee451]

Horse hockey. The debris all moves down-range unless the aircraft goes straight in to relatively soft ground.

Bomb craters show ejecta in all directions.

(BTW, you are trying to put down a veteran with experience as a military fire fighter and who has served with an engineering unit. Best have your ducks lined up beak-to-tail. I get impatient with amateurs who try to sell BS.)

I'm impressed by credentials but I'm not trying to put down anyone, in fact I'm trying very hard not to.

Caspian flight 7908

Flight 93

 

[Kid Eager]

As a recap, I have provided estimated measurements showing the hole is unrealistic to have been caused by a jet, even if my estimates are wrong.

So even if you're wrong, it proves you right. I see.....

I have provided an explanation for the crater that is based on existing technology; JASSM missiles were tested and ready for production in 2000.

Explanation, yes. Evidence no.

Nasa's own photographs show us what a crater looks like when it's caused by a projectile striking at trajecories of less than 10 degrees from horizontal.

Which is very interesting, but fails to assist in your case - rather, it disproves it

The Shanksville crash looks nothing like other high speed jet crashes.

False statement. No evidence provided.

So if missiles in crossfire didnt' make the crater, then now's your chance to show how a jet did.

Incorrect. If an aircraft didn't make the crater, show how, despite all the eyewitness, electronic and physical evidence, that *something else* could have.

 

[yankee451]

So even if you're wrong, it proves you right. I see.....

I underestimated, which you'd know if you had tried to estimate the distance yourself.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Someone's been googling "craters".

That's promising.

See, the thing is, Lefty knows what the hell he's talking about, whereas you don't. That you ignore requests to show your math on the other thread and evidence showing that plane and passenger parts were found in and around the crash site in this thread demonstrates this fact.

As I said earlier, give this aggressively retarded no plane crap a rest.

 

[Mr.Herbert]

The Shanksville crash looks nothing like other high speed jet crashes.

Here we are at 20 + pages of garbage. Has anyone mentioned flight 1771?



This dude is nothing but a Killtown wanna be

 

[TJM]

Here we are at 20 + pages of garbage. Has anyone mentioned flight 1771?



This dude is nothing but a Killtown wanna be

Yup. Handwaved sometime ago, IIRC.