How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[Kid Eager]

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Precision regarding the crater size is irrelevant.

and it's still irrelevant

 

[Kid Eager]

There's a pun in there somewhere about a guy who talks to himself.

and I'm not afraid to use it.

The only thing that stops a bad man with a pun is a good man with a pun.

 

[Stamuel]

Do you know what the phrase "zero margine of error" means?



Now answer the question, how many fingers am I holding up?

I don't know what a margine of error is, but let's talk about margin of error. You admit you pretty much guessed the size of the road. It could be wider. You haphazardly drew some lines to apply the road width to the gash. No accounting for perspective, lens, anything. Your estimate of 120 feet cannot be relied on as perfectly accurate.

On this basis, though, you claim the gash is about 5 feet too narrow.

If the question was "Is it one foot, on hundred feet or ten thousand feet?" your approach might make sense. But a five percent difference? Please, please be a poe.

 

[Loss Leader]

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[yankee451]

I don't know what a margine of error is, but let's talk about margin of error. You admit you pretty much guessed the size of the road. It could be wider. You haphazardly drew some lines to apply the road width to the gash. No accounting for perspective, lens, anything. Your estimate of 120 feet cannot be relied on as perfectly accurate.

On this basis, though, you claim the gash is about 5 feet too narrow.

If the question was "Is it one foot, on hundred feet or ten thousand feet?" your approach might make sense. But a five percent difference? Please, please be a poe.

The point was "compared to his proof" my margine of error is zero, because you see, he hasn't provided any.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Well, never mind.

Actually, while I'm here, '451 never did explain why the Illuminati wanted to dig a trench in the middle of nowhere. I mean, using missiles to dig a trench is so bizarre it tends to distract one from the pointlessness of the whole endeavour.

What's the big picture '451? Take us through those planning meetings in the Evil Lair.

 

[leftysergeant]

Interesting story, however unlike you I have supplied evidence to support my conclusion. If the Shanksville crater is more consistent with a jet crash than two cruise missiles striking in crossfire, now's the time to make your case.

The only problem is that your explanation is impossible.

Two bombs will NOT, under any circustances, create a predictable-shaped hole, and **** blows every which way. Go back and look at your own video.

 

[leftysergeant]

Good eye.

In the video I use NASA's photos and calculations for oblique meteorite impacts to estimate the trajectory of the gashes.

Except that you just photoshopped what you think two hittin at the same time would doi, without any proof that it would look like that.

 

[beachnut]

The point was "compared to his proof" my margine of error is zero, because you see, he hasn't provided any.

The crater width formed by the impact of a 757 wing, matches exactly the 124 foot 10 inch wingspan.

The FDR found in the impact crater, proves it was Flight 93. Because it was Flight 93, DNA for all the passengers was found at the crash site. The plane was destroyed due to KE, it is physics. The reason the crash site was suspected to be Flight 93, because FAA controllers watches as Flight 93 dropped of RADAR at the exact spot. Then they pulled the RADAR tapes, and retraced the flight path of 93 from takeoff to impact - it was Flight 93. When they found the FDR, it contained 24 hours of previous flight time, which matched the flights made by the aircraft, and match the attitude of the impact damage. The impact energy estimate matches the speed and energy calculated from the FDR.

Your missile fantasy fails due to reality. Your missile theory also fails because the physics don't explain the fantasy you have. You can't get your fictional plot to match physics of the real world.

 

[leftysergeant]

Or they're just as fallible as the next guy and a missile hit a tree.

I have explained in the video that the crater doesn't look like "its supposed to look" - it looks nothing like a jet crash, but by using NASA's photographs and figures of oblique meteorite impacts it can be discovered what it DOES look like.

Horse feathers. There is a precise outline of a 757 going in nose-down, including the trench that the vertical stabilizer, already separated from the fuselage, made when it hit the ground and disintegrated. Do learn what the crater from the accepted narrative would look like.

 

[leftysergeant]

No questions about the evidence? Pity.

No, of course not. We all know, especially those of us who have responded to and studied crashes of military and civilian aircraft, that there is none to support your delusions.

 

[Slowvehicle]

How wide is an average human's shoulder width? How wide is the average lane size of a rural road?

If you don't like my estimates, use the telephone pole. Any way you like.

...fancy footwork...

What do your assumptions about the "average human's shoulder width", and the "average lane size of a rural roiad", have to do with all of the objective, empirical evidence you are ignoring, or lying about?

 

[leftysergeant]

Not to mention the Air Florida DC-9 that piled it in into the Everglades

Fitz

Paul Klipsch's Spitfire is the perfect example. Totally buried in clay.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Everyone keeps stating as fact that the gash fits the wing span of a 757.

Oh, really? Make sweeping statements much?

What's the average shoulder width? How close do you stand to someone when you're talking to them? 6 inches?

What color is the sky in your world? I really wanna know.

What do your equivocations and dissembling have to do with the empirical, objective facts you are ignoring, or lying about?

 

[leftysergeant]

So with scientific, eye witness testimony, circumstantial and physical evidence to support dense penetrating warheads of cruise missiles striking in crossfire at trajectories of less than 10 degrees from horizontal, what do you plane-huggers have to prove a plane struck?

Hearsay from the most-likely suspects.

Evidence? Where? There is nothing thrown up-range. Explosives throw stuff out in a circle. Go learn what a boimb crater looks like.

 

[Slowvehicle]

You first. You're the one who claims it's possible. I'm the one who has a better explanation.

...now you're going backwards...

 

[leftysergeant]

Ohhh - here we have a self-proclaimed JREF intellectual demanding proof he knows will not be available in the public domain.

How about you use the evidence available to us all to support any single one of your convictions?

That engine you posted is a good one for our side.

 

[leftysergeant]

Have you watched the 8 minute video? If not, why are you commenting?

Too masny inane, false or utterly absurd statements in the first three minurtes to believe that any of the rest of it was worth watching, given that just your scenes of the missle hitting a hardened bunker blew you stuff out of the water.

 

[leftysergeant]

Be specific. If you can.

How can we be more specific? You got balloon juice.

 

[yankee451]

So back on topic, now where was I before I was so rudely interrupted. Again.

Someone was going to demonstrate how my measurements were wrong, because as I keep trying to say - this theread is all about "How the Shanksville Crater Was Made".

As a recap, I have provided estimated measurements showing the hole is unrealistic to have been caused by a jet, even if my estimates are wrong.

I have provided an explanation for the crater that is based on existing technology; JASSM missiles were tested and ready for production in 2000.

Nasa's own photographs show us what a crater looks like when it's caused by a projectile striking at trajecories of less than 10 degrees from horizontal.

The Shanksville crash looks nothing like other high speed jet crashes.

So if missiles in crossfire didnt' make the crater, then now's your chance to show how a jet did.