How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[Slowvehicle]

Or is someone going to explain how the crater fits the jets dimensions? Shall we do it together?

Let's try to prove a jet did it, shall we?

Anyone know the measurements of the jet? Around 127 ft wingspan wasn't it?

So if the road was a two lane road and the lanes were an average 10-foot lane, that would make the road about 20 feet wide. How big is the crater?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/shamnksville-road.png[/qimg]

...can't resist puttin' that donkey between you and umption, can you?

 

[NoahFence]

Or is someone going to explain how the crater fits the jets dimensions? Shall we do it together?

Let's try to prove a jet did it, shall we?

Anyone know the measurements of the jet? Around 127 ft wingspan wasn't it?

So if the road was a two lane road and the lanes were an average 10-foot lane, that would make the road about 20 feet wide. How big is the crater?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/shamnksville-road.png[/qimg]

Awesome. Another photo that proves your missile theory wrong.

Dude, just give up. Go to bed.

 

[332nd]

Or is someone going to explain how the crater fits the jets dimensions? Shall we do it together?

Let's try to prove a jet did it, shall we?

Anyone know the measurements of the jet? Around 127 ft wingspan wasn't it?

So if the road was a two lane road and the lanes were an average 10-foot lane, that would make the road about 20 feet wide. How big is the crater?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/shamnksville-road.png[/qimg]

Bwaaahahaha!

Before we do that, wanna explain how your missile coming from the left managed to miss all of those trees yet still hit at the angle to make that furrow?

 

[Kid Eager]

There's still absolutely no valid justification for isolating missiles as the next most plausible explanation of how the Shanksville site presented.

Until you can get over that hurdle, the rest is just a conclusion in search of a premise.

Space-launched bowling balls fits all your available "evidence" better than missiles.

Oh, by the way, the balls weren't drilled for finger holes - they were always intended for kinetic strikes.

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by yankee451
The lunar atmosphere: History, status, current problems, and context
~S. Alan Stern

So tenuous that it has no effect on meteorites and bugger all to do with 911.

Piffle. I've seen dozens of moon movies with blazing meteorites crashing into the moon. How could this be if there's no atmosphere?

Wait! I've figured it out! Meteorites are made of thermite!

 

[Justin39640]

What does that do with the crater that can be best explained by two 900 lb warheads measuring 12x60 inches striking in crossfire at trajectories of less than 10 degrees from horizontal?

No, cause then you'd have 3 craters as your NASA impacts would imply.

 

[yankee451]

Bwaaahahaha!

Before we do that, wanna explain how your missile coming from the left managed to miss all of those trees yet still hit at the angle to make that furrow?

It took two tries. That's how.

 

[yankee451]

There's still absolutely no valid justification for isolating missiles as the next most plausible explanation of how the Shanksville site presented.

Until you can get over that hurdle, the rest is just a conclusion in search of a premise.

Space-launched bowling balls fits all your available "evidence" better than missiles.

Oh, by the way, the balls weren't drilled for finger holes - they were always intended for kinetic strikes.

Interesting story.

 

[phunk]

It took two tries. That's how.

Where'd the first one go?

And why do the pictures only show a single smoke plume?

 

[Justin39640]

So can the engine from an F-18 Hornet strapped to the back of a Chevy Tahoe.

Never go to sip your coffee as you kick in the afterburner.


(My friend's uncle had a questionably street legal Vega. Hit the NOS with a coffee on the dash and it exploded when it hit the back window lol)

 

[Justin39640]

Where'd the first one go?

And why do the pictures only show a single smoke plume?

Holograms.

 

[jaydeehess]

Interesting story.

Your's isn't!

 

[Mudcat]

So can the engine from an F-18 Hornet strapped to the back of a Chevy Tahoe.

Specifications (F414-400)
Dry weight: 2,445 pounds (1,110 kilograms)
Thrust to weight ratio: 9:1

Okay, unless this Chevy Tahoe is made of Orichalcum or Adamantium I think it would very quickly cease to exist.

 

[Kid Eager]

Interesting story.

*exactly*

 

[jaydeehess]

Specifications (F414-400)
Dry weight: 2,445 pounds (1,110 kilograms)
Thrust to weight ratio: 9:1

Okay, unless this Chevy Tahoe is made or Orichalcum or Adamantium I think it would very quickly cease to exist.

IIRC the legend had it as a JATO strapped to a Impala
http://www.snopes.com/autos/dream/jato.asp

 

[Furi]

The JASSM AGM158 has a CEP of 2.8 m, meaning 50% of shots land within 2.8m of ideal target point, and ~43% land between 2.8 - 5.6 m of target point, the remainder further away

As you suppose a precision shot by 2 munitions, coming in at exactly 180° to each other, how could the error have guaranteed to match on both shots, as there is a 18% chance of a ETA: 11.2m Sum error on impact from both, and even if they landed at the correct angle in respect to each other probability of landing in perfect symmetry are probably as low as them landing 6r (31.8m) away from each other <0.5%.

Also wouldn't the angle of impact of the missiles have to differ to match the faked FDR data as it did not come in symmetrically.

wouldn't the shape of the primary crater differ than in your mirrored example, as the first munition would have already excavated the crater, the second would impact on the opposing side of the recently generated crater excavating in less symeterical shape as the trough (fake wing) impact of the first missile would modify this?

I seemed to have completely missed the reason for the 3rd missile?.

What angle would that have been coming in from, and at which point in its terminal guidance phase did they self destruct it in such an accurate way, after almost instantaneous assessment of the strikes to realise it was not necessary, and to do it by setting fire to some trees, and not detonating and creating another crater, or leaving a shedload of undetonated HX all over the place?

How on a prototype missile did they ensure the error margin was so low as to appear symmetrical, bearing in mind that the distance wouldn't just affect the point of impact but also the angle..

In relation to the curving path to burn the trees, could you describe the TERMINAL phase of the flight profile, Angle of impact Speed Terminal guidance you know the important stuff, just so we all have it clearly in our minds. Also when moving at speed what rate or turn can you expect off this missile, because we may as well have WWII bombs or Ablative coated bowling balls specifically designed as orbital insertion KE weapons

Please also explain the absence of HX residue from missile 1-2 (or just 2 however you wish to play it) and undetonated HX from the 3rd missile.

So I asked you a simple couple of questions.. and NO you haven't addressed them earlier, unfortunately I have read all of this thread and your responses, they have not been answered.

 

[Mudcat]

IIRC the legend had it as a JATO strapped to a Impala
http://www.snopes.com/autos/dream/jato.asp

Sorry to break it to you but the MythBusters, in their first ever episode, busted that myth already.

 

[R.Mackey]

Space-launched bowling balls fits all your available "evidence" better than missiles.

Oh, by the way, the balls weren't drilled for finger holes - they were always intended for kinetic strikes.

Not so loud!

... so, what have you heard??

 

[332nd]

It took two tries. That's how.

NOPE! You aren't really looking at that pic.

Unless you know of a missile that can make a 90 degree turn on a dime you just debunked yourself again!...

Wait... waitwaitwait.... you really don't see the problem do you?

LOL! Would you like someone to walk you through it?

Eta: Hold up! Two tries!?? So noone noticed the extra missile loaded with HE going off after the first two?

Not... enough... laughing... dogs!

C'mon man!

 

[beachnut]

So, meteroites from the inside-out?

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Oblique-2.jpg

OR missiles from the outside-in?

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/detonated_undetonated.png

You debunked the missile again? It is your fantasy, which way will you pick?

What is the right direction to make your fantasy crater?

Or is someone going to explain how the crater fits the jets dimensions? Shall we do it together?

911 truth doesn't do math, can you do it? Do you do research? How will you know the dimentions of a 757.

Let's try to prove a jet did it, shall we?

Already done.
Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
RADAR
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
The FDR was found in the crash zone, and RADAR shows 93 from takeoff to impact. Done.

Anyone know the measurements of the jet? Around 127 ft wingspan wasn't it?

Redo?

So if the road was a two lane road and the lanes were an average 10-foot lane, that would make the road about 20 feet wide. How big is the crater?

We already did this years ago.
You can use google earth to get the dimensions.

How did the missiles carry 10,000 gallons of jet fuel?

The jet fuel fireball. How did the missiles carry the 10,000 gallons of jet fuel? And 210,000 pounds total for all Flt 93 debris plus fuel?