How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[NoahFence]

I'm still waiting for the justification of why missiles of all things would be a plausible alternative explanation.

A better fit for the evidence would be bowling balls launched from the ISS, for a precision kinetic strike...

Impossible. The holes in the ball(s) would make controlled flight damn near impossible. However, with candlepin balls you wouldn't have that problem. Those are most likely too small to account for a crater that size though.

 

[Andy_Ross]

and debris and body parts visible all around the crash site, unlike Shanksville, the crater of which can be better explaned by two cruise missiles striking at ten degree trajectories in opposite directions.

You lie again.
Pictures of debris have been posted in the thread numerous times. You ignore them.
Here they are again.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
The fantasy
http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/

 

[jaydeehess]

The official explanation is the cockpit scorched the trees as it blew out like shrapnel.

I don't see any cockpit.

why would a missile passing over those trees scorch them? The exhaust would not be on them long enough to impart enough heat to scorch them.

 

[NoahFence]

Quote: Steve-o:
Admitting I have a biased opinion regarding, well, everything, doesn’t automatically mean I can recognize when my new found open mind is partially closed; therefore I need other people to keep me honest so consider this blog my call for assistance.

Why call for assistance when you refuse the help you supposedly seek?

 

[jaydeehess]

Impossible. The holes in the ball(s) would make controlled flight damn near impossible. However, with candlepin balls you wouldn't have that problem. Those are most likely too small to account for a crater that size though.

Are 'candlepin' balls what we in Canada would refer to as 'five pin bowling' balls?

 

[phunk]

Sigh -

An "offcourse" missile would imply what to you?

Is it not obvious? It implies that it didn't make that gouge in the ground.

 

[phunk]

Yes, that's what we're told. Do you believe it because you were told, is that about the size of it?

I believe it because it matches all of the evidence.

 

[Kid Eager]

Impossible. The holes in the ball(s) would make controlled flight damn near impossible. However, with candlepin balls you wouldn't have that problem. Those are most likely too small to account for a crater that size though.

You're pretty quick on the "impossible" there.

I'm going to attach bowling balls to a rocket sled and propel them into the ground to prove my theory. If you donate some money, I should be able to fund my experiment some time during 2014.

 

[Stamuel]

I realize 451 will not respond to this, since to 451 the shape of the impact crater removes the need to consider other issues. But what I want to know is: Even if this method of faking the crash made any sense at all, why did the conspiracy need to fake this crash?

Two planes hitting the WTC Towers is horrifying enough to get plenty of war and security measures (seriously, I can't even watch the videos of the plane hitting the second tower, terror: complete). The collapse of the towers, WTC 7, and hitting the Pentagon is already overkill.

But what possible purpose could it serve to fake a crash in Nowhere, PA? It is rarely mentioned. When asked why they failed to prevent 9/11, Bush did not say, "Nobody imagined terrorists flying planes into the ground in the middle of nowhere." 9/11 Truth groups do not have logos with the Shanksville crater serving as the '9' in '9/11'. Politicians seeking to scare the **** out of voters do not put images of the crater in their attack ads. There are no "Never Forget" posters with images of an empty field. All the propaganda mileage comes from the towers.

And bombing that spot did not serve some other purpose. There were no investigations into government corruption with headquarters out there. No files to destroy in needlessly risky ways. And no rehearsal space of rival black metal bands who were hurting record sales of the official government black metal band.

Why, NWO? Why did you go to such absurd lengths to bomb this field?

 

[FrederickEason]

What was this third missile supposed to do if it hadn't gone off course?

Supposedly on the first or second missile fire, they missed and hit the trees.

Of course, that doesn't explain the lack of missile debris and the preponderance of airplane debris and bodily remains.

 

[Mudcat]

I realize 451 will not respond to this, since to 451 the shape of the impact crater removes the need to consider other issues. But what I want to know is: Even if this method of faking the crash made any sense at all, why did the conspiracy need to fake this crash?

Two planes hitting the WTC Towers is horrifying enough to get plenty of war and security measures (seriously, I can't even watch the videos of the plane hitting the second tower, terror: complete). The collapse of the towers, WTC 7, and hitting the Pentagon is already overkill.

But what possible purpose could it serve to fake a crash in Nowhere, PA? It is rarely mentioned. When asked why they failed to prevent 9/11, Bush did not say, "Nobody imagined terrorists flying planes into the ground in the middle of nowhere." 9/11 Truth groups do not have logos with the Shanksville crater serving as the '9' in '9/11'. Politicians seeking to scare the **** out of voters do not put images of the crater in their attack ads. There are no "Never Forget" posters with images of an empty field. All the propaganda mileage comes from the towers.

And bombing that spot did not serve some other purpose. There were no investigations into government corruption with headquarters out there. No files to destroy in needlessly risky ways. And no rehearsal space of rival black metal bands who were hurting record sales of the official government black metal band.

Why, NWO? Why did you go to such absurd lengths to bomb this field?

Actually, if the government really was behind everything on 9/11, than the crash in Nowhere makes some sense. Think of it, a heroic effort of red blooded Americans fighting to take back the aircraft! Sure, it ended with their deaths but they foiled the plot of those 'American hating terrorist Muslims' and they went down fighting!

And considering how conspiracy theorists like to wipe their hind quarters on someone the achievements of someone else (for example, the lunar landings) it makes sense for them to want wish away the event and the existence of people far braver than them.

Damn, conspiracy theorists make me sick.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Actually, if the government really was behind everything on 9/11, than the crash in Nowhere makes some sense. Think of it, a heroic effort of red blooded Americans fighting to take back the aircraft! Sure, it ended with their deaths but they foiled the plot of those 'American hating terrorist Muslims' and they went down fighting!

And considering how conspiracy theorists like to wipe their hind quarters on someone the achievements of someone else (for example, the lunar landings) it makes sense for them to want wish away the event and the existence of people far braver than them.

Damn, conspiracy theorists make me sick.

I think it might be simpler that that: binary thinking. Either it is 100% inside jerb, or 100% terrorist attack. That's why the eeeeebil gubmint plotters had to take actions that make no sense, like the crash at Shanksville.

 

[Wolrab]

The planes only work by ignoring the physical evidence, which is what I examined to lead me to the missiles. Any ballistics 'experts' on this board? If so, consider this a challenge to prove the crater isn't better answered by penetrating warheads in crossfire at trajectories of less than 10 degrees from horizontal. I'm still working on hiring an engineer, so you'll get a jump on me.

Should be a cake walk for all the swinging credentials hanging here.

Let me get this straight. The missiles gouge the ground and penetrate an unknown depth and explode underground. Depending how far the horizontal component is before exploding the crater would either be two gouges, two holes where they penetrated, then two craters. Or if there was some way to get the two missiles to make a single crater, a gouge, a hole, a crater, a hole, and a gouge. Maybe the two missiles both made a groove then collided. What foolishness. Personally, since the PTB had unlimited resources (able to pay off the entire world, except truthers), I would have used a plane.

 

[Mudcat]

I think it might be simpler that that: binary thinking. Either it is 100% inside jerb, or 100% terrorist attack. That's why the eeeeebil gubmint plotters had to take actions that make no sense, like the crash at Shanksville.

I think I already outlined why the crash at Shanksville does make sense if the crash was really an evil government plot.

It's as I had said in a thread I started elsewhere, some Conspiracy Theories almost make sense if you apply a liberal dose of suspension of disbelief.

What doesn't make sense, don't mater how much you apply suspension of disbelief, are the proposed 'theories' as to how they supposedly faked the crash.

Yankee's 'theory' is easily one of the more impractical sounding ones.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

It's odd isn't it?

I mean even if you assume an inside job. Even if you assume that planes couldn't take down the towers so they used missiles/explosives/therm*te/magic space ray guns, why not just crash a plane at Shanksville?

If you're going to make it look like a heroic struggle by Americans to cover up everything else going on that day, why not just...crash a plane? I mean let's face it, even if NOTHING else that happened that day actually happened and it was an inside job, why fake a plane crash in the middle of nowhere?

 

[LSSBB]

It's odd isn't it?

I mean even if you assume an inside job. Even if you assume that planes couldn't take down the towers so they used missiles/explosives/therm*te/magic space ray guns, why not just crash a plane at Shanksville?

If you're going to make it look like a heroic struggle by Americans to cover up everything else going on that day, why not just...crash a plane? I mean let's face it, even if NOTHING else that happened that day actually happened and it was an inside job, why fake a plane crash in the middle of nowhere?

Easy. So an intrepid internet truth seeker can make a name for himself. The government is generous in that regard.

 

[Mudcat]

It's odd isn't it?

I mean even if you assume an inside job. Even if you assume that planes couldn't take down the towers so they used missiles/explosives/therm*te/magic space ray guns, why not just crash a plane at Shanksville?

If you're going to make it look like a heroic struggle by Americans to cover up everything else going on that day, why not just...crash a plane? I mean let's face it, even if NOTHING else that happened that day actually happened and it was an inside job, why fake a plane crash in the middle of nowhere?

Believe me, I asked Yankee the very same question. I even provided an example of someone intentionally crashing a 727 legally and on national television.

Admittedly there are remarkable differences between the two cashes (the one on Discovery was slower speed, shallower angel of attack, and it survived mostly intact) but why couldn't the government simply crash an actual aircraft on purpose the same as the people in 2011 did?

 

[yankee451]

Supposedly on the first or second missile fire, they missed and hit the trees.

Of course, that doesn't explain the lack of missile debris and the preponderance of airplane debris and bodily remains.

Wash, rinse, repeat. There was no such preponderance; read the thread.

Anyone have any new observations?

 

[yankee451]

Let me get this straight. The missiles gouge the ground and penetrate an unknown depth and explode underground. Depending how far the horizontal component is before exploding the crater would either be two gouges, two holes where they penetrated, then two craters. Or if there was some way to get the two missiles to make a single crater, a gouge, a hole, a crater, a hole, and a gouge. Maybe the two missiles both made a groove then collided. What foolishness. Personally, since the PTB had unlimited resources (able to pay off the entire world, except truthers), I would have used a plane.

Then you can explain how a plane can disappear into the ground, because according to the official record, most of the plane was unearthed from the crater.

Do the measurements of the jet match the crater?

Answer the question.

 

[twinstead]

Who cares that it makes no sense? Who cares what the preponderance of evidence shows? The impact crater looks like missiles to yankee451 and not a plane, therefore inside job, therefore They MUST have had a reason. The NWO works in mysterious ways.

Ridiculous