How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[Kid Eager]

Sure and the math that explains how the jet caused the gash, because you know, without that you're getting ahead of yourself.

No math equals no proof; so you trust authority by virtue of their authority and you believe the TeeVee because it's there, good for you.

shudder

You keep harping on about proof. Why?

 

[yankee451]

You keep harping on about proof. Why?

Same reason you do, except you don't have any.

 

[Justin39640]

Same reason you do, except you don't have any.

I think you got that backwards.

 

[beachnut]

Same reason you do, except you don't have any.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
The fantasy
http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/

You keep spreading lies. Until you debunk the empirical data, you failed.

What happened to the Passengers on Flight 93?

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

 

[yankee451]

I think you got that backwards.

So we are agreed? You have no proof without math and neither do I.

You believe authority by virtue of their authority, and I have followed the evidence to where it led me. The only thing proving either of us right is the math.

Sound accurate?

 

[Justin39640]

I think you got that backwards.

So we are agreed? You have no proof without math and neither do I.

You believe authority by virtue of their authority, and I have followed the evidence to where it led me. The only thing proving either of us right is the math.

Sound accurate?

No, let me help you:

Same reason you do, except you I don't have any.

There you go. Fixed that for you.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Sure and the math that explains how the jet caused the gash, because you know, without that you're getting ahead of yourself.

No math equals no proof; so you trust authority by virtue of their authority and you believe the TeeVee because it's there, good for you.

shudder

...and you continue to try to hand-wave away the debris, the FDR, the eyewitnesses, the RADAR track, the fireball, the DNA, the destroyed 757...not to say completely obfuscating the lack of substantive evidence for fantasy scenaria...

 

[Kid Eager]

Same reason you do, except you don't have any.

I doubt very much that my reason and yours are the same....

 

[beachnut]

Maybe it was an SR-71

So we are agreed? You have no proof without math and neither do I.

You believe authority by virtue of their authority, and I have followed the evidence to where it led me. The only thing proving either of us right is the math.

Sound accurate?

Maybe it was an SR-71

How are you going to refute all the empirical data?
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
We have reality based evidence, and then fantasy from you.
http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/


Pyrex craters? lol
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/...GH&whole_paper=YES&type=PRINTER&filetype=.pdf

How is a KE impact like a JASSM impact? There were not enough JASSM in test to test your fantasy. lol, this gets better all the time.

 

[yankee451]

...and you continue to try to hand-wave away the debris, the FDR, the eyewitnesses, the RADAR track, the fireball, the DNA, the destroyed 757...not to say completely obfuscating the lack of substantive evidence for fantasy scenaria...

If the debris was not visible from the air, and the 'official' story has it most of it was dug out of the ground, could they not simply take photos of a backhoe dropping debris into the hole and claim they were digging it out?

I repeat to all of you, R. Mackey included and anyone else who cares or doesnt:

if my proofs require 'math' to prove, so do yours. Without the math proving a 757 caused the crater you are in NO position to claim anything.

Are we agreed?

 

[Justin39640]

If the debris was not visible from the air, and the 'official' story has it most of it was dug out of the ground, could they not simply take photos of a backhoe dropping debris into the hole and claim they were digging it out?

I repeat to all of you, R. Mackey included and anyone else who cares or doesnt:

if my proofs require 'math' to prove, so do yours. Without the math proving a 757 caused the crater you are in NO position to claim anything.

Are we agreed?

No.

 

[StankApe]

we have the evidence laying on the ground, you are saying thi evidence is false and offer an alternative theory, YOU MUST PROVE YOUR THEORY.

Our theory is the null hypothesis, it is already proven, If you choose to differ from the null hypothesis, YOU MUST PROVIDE PROOF.

this is how science works, and how it has always worked.

you differ from the accepted norm, you prove your case. The original theory doesn't have to be proven to you again. it's already accepted as bein the truth

 

[yankee451]

No.

So without the math, and with a double-standard, the reason you believe authority is by virtue of their authority, and the reason you believe the T.V. is because it's there.

Whereas I followed the evidence to where it led.

 

[Slowvehicle]

If the debris was not visible from the air, and the 'official' story has it most of it was dug out of the ground, could they not simply take photos of a backhoe dropping debris into the hole and claim they were digging it out?

I repeat to all of you, R. Mackey included and anyone else who cares or doesnt:

if my proofs require 'math' to prove, so do yours. Without the math proving a 757 caused the crater you are in NO position to claim anything.

Are we agreed?

Neither in gross, nor in fine.

I find it...odd...that you do not realize that, at its most favorable. "the math" could only indicate that it might be plausible that the three missiles you posit could have provided enough energy release to form a crater of similar size, under ideal conditions. That would in no way explain the debris, the missing passengers, the missing airplane, the FDR, the RADAR track, the DNA, the eyewitnesses,the fireball, the missile-that-was-not-available at the time, the utter lack of a plausible launch platform...even the unnecessarily byzantine method of fakery you have chosen to champion.

But have fun...

 

[beachnut]

Debris was visible from the air; it is a lie to say otherwise; get glasses

So we are agreed? You have no proof without math and neither do I.

This is your evidence?

Wrong again. The FDR, photos, DNA, FAA records, RADAR data, and more prove it was 175. You ignore the evidence due to your anti-science stand, and your bias against your country.

What happened to the Flight 93 Passengers?

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

You believe authority by virtue of their authority, and I have followed the evidence to where it led me. The only thing proving either of us right is the math.

Sound accurate?

Accurate. This is a skeptic forum, not one of your failed 911 truth forums where you are banned for spreading fantasy. You brought the crazy claims, your claims to JREF. You have no clue you were debunked 11 years ago. You don't do science, you make up failed analogies, and crazy disjointed undefined conspiracy. You have one of the least developed plot for your fantasy.

No math needed to prove it was flight 93. The photo, DNA, FDR, RADAR, FAA records, and 93 debris, along with Passenger papers, evidence of Terrorists, and more prove it was flight 93.

You on the other had have to refute all the evidence with your own evidence, and then present evidence to support your claims, which you have no idea your claims is fantasy.

If the debris was not visible from the air, and the 'official' story has it most of it was dug out of the ground, could they not simply take photos of a backhoe dropping debris into the hole and claim they were digging it out?

I repeat to all of you, R. Mackey included and anyone else who cares or doesnt:

if my proofs require 'math' to prove, so do yours. Without the math proving a 757 caused the crater you are in NO position to claim anything.

Are we agreed?

You spread lies; why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vOEvk-g_Gk&feature=youtu.be

Debris in the open in the video, and photos above, tons of debris. Exactly what an aircraft accident investigator expects from a high speed impact.

Plus your idealized crater is exposed as a lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mppArAXBDqg&feature=youtu.be

 

[yankee451]

Neither in gross, nor in fine.

I find it...odd...that you do not realize that, at its most favorable. "the math" could only indicate that it might be plausible that the three missiles you posit could have provided enough energy release to form a crater of similar size, under ideal conditions. That would in no way explain the debris, the missing passengers, the missing airplane, the FDR, the RADAR track, the DNA, the eyewitnesses,the fireball, the missile-that-was-not-available at the time, the utter lack of a plausible launch platform...even the unnecessarily byzantine method of fakery you have chosen to champion.

But have fun...

heh, oh I realize it, but it'll be miles ahead of anyone proving a lie any time soon.

I'm already having fun. I'm extatic.

 

[yankee451]

we have the evidence laying on the ground, you are saying thi evidence is false and offer an alternative theory, YOU MUST PROVE YOUR THEORY.

Our theory is the null hypothesis, it is already proven, If you choose to differ from the null hypothesis, YOU MUST PROVIDE PROOF.

this is how science works, and how it has always worked.

you differ from the accepted norm, you prove your case. The original theory doesn't have to be proven to you again. it's already accepted as bein the truth

I have more evidence than you, and you still demand the math.

Well, since this topic is "How the Shanksville Crater Was Made", and since you all insist I need the math to prove anything, how are you going to stay on topic without the math?

 

[beachnut]

Zero evidence from 451

I have more evidence than you, and you still demand the math.

Well, since this topic is "How the Shanksville Crater Was Made", and since you all insist I need the math to prove anything, how are you going to stay on topic without the math?

You have zero evidence.

 

[Kid Eager]

If the debris was not visible from the air, and the 'official' story has it most of it was dug out of the ground, could they not simply take photos of a backhoe dropping debris into the hole and claim they were digging it out?

I repeat to all of you, R. Mackey included and anyone else who cares or doesnt:

if my proofs require 'math' to prove, so do yours. Without the math proving a 757 caused the crater you are in NO position to claim anything.

Are we agreed?

No

 

[Kid Eager]

I have more evidence than you, and you still demand the math.

Well, since this topic is "How the Shanksville Crater Was Made", and since you all insist I need the math to prove anything, how are you going to stay on topic without the math?

Speculation is not evidence.