How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[yankee451]

Yankee, I have not called you any names, nor have I used any demeaning language toward you. So, why is it that you are ignoring me and not answering my posts?

About your comment on the crater that you say was created by missiles. I have fired many AGM’s while in the military, and I can’t think of one target site that looked anything like what you suggest.

BTW, do you have any idea what the normal dive angle for a JASSM is?

Yes.

 

[yankee451]

So you think F-16s launched your woo-missiles.

As a reformed conspiracy loon I find your theory to be an insult to honest morons and crazy people everywhere.

I even threw you a bone with the B-2s because any half-brain conspiracy nut would know you need a platform that has a bomb bay, so those super-secret Woo missiles can be loaded inside a controlled hangar out of view of the public. Any card-carrying tin-foil hatter would know it would have to be a B-2 so the evil conspiracy would not be visible on every radar screen in the north east. A good CT nutter would have come back at me with a secret fleet of B-2s stationed at Wright Patterson (home to all things military secret Woo).

So even as a Conspiracy nutbar you are a 4th-rate hack.

Why?

You site a "witness" who heard a missile AND a jet. Guess what, Nancy Screw-Up, cruise missiles have jet engines. F-16s are louder than 767s, and the cruise missile is quieter (relatively) than both.

It gets better, you claim the first missile struck a tree. I presume you think it was flying nap of the earth (look it up), but the whole point of using stealth missiles is so they can fly where ever you want it to. So even using your own rules your theory fails.

I'll add that who the hell launches a stand-off weapon near their target? I'll give you a hint: Nobody ever.

Then you fail to even make up, or cherry-pick the standard cover-up Woo elements to make your case that the scene was staged. You have no stories of mysterious trucks around Shanksville in the days before 9/11. They would have had to have been big trucks carrying an entire passenger plane in pieces.

I know why you leave this out, though, because if they staged the crash site then why even use missiles? You've got your crack team of NWO Bush-Bots already spreading the parts around, burning the forest, but they never thought to just use those secret high explosives to make the crater. Using missiles would have damaged the carefully stages crash site.

You're not even thinking your theory through well enough to cover the MANY holes on the fly (pun intended).

Speaking of holes, the crater isn't big enough or deep enough to have been made by your Woo missiles.

Why? Because the damage says so.

 

[yankee451]

Or am I missing something?

I think intellectual honesty is what you're looking for.

 

[yankee451]

Even better, yankee has been asking us to do his own math for him. Not content simply to ask us to prove him wrong, he wants us to prove him right.

For the record, this is not true. I have been saying for some time now I am working on providing the math. Until I supply it, I am offering you a chance to prove something with math. Anything.

 

[cjnewson88]

Yankee argument tactic;

Ignore response, reply with one liners. Claim victory.

 

[yankee451]

And it always seems to come down to "prove me wrong" when they can't even prove themselves right.

How are you different than what you are accusing me of? Will you answer that?

 

[yankee451]

Yankee argument tactic;

Ignore response, reply with one liners. Claim victory.

When have you done aught else.

The crater is very similar to NASA photographs of projectiles striking at trajectories of less than ten degrees.

True or false?

Answer the question.

 

[yankee451]

what mr yankee doesn't seem to understand is that he is the 47th person to try this same charade in the 4 months I've been here. I can't imagine how often the long timers have witnessed these types of threads.

Show me the thread that claims missiles in crossfire caused the Shanksville crater.

You old timers are here to prevent discussion and when you fail, you ban.

 

[Trojan]

For the record, this is not true. I have been saying for some time now I am working on providing the math. Until I supply it, I am offering you a chance to prove something with math. Anything.

I think the cart is before the horse, should you not do the math first, to confirm your theory, before coming to a conclusion?

 

[StankApe]

Show me the thread that claims missiles in crossfire caused the Shanksville crater.

You old timers are here to prevent discussion and when you fail, you ban.

We are here to point out the truth.

but you don't care about the truth, you care about making yourself feel important via asinine theories that you don't have education or the inclination to even support.


I can do that too!!!

"Yankee451 is a secret govt agent sent here to spread disinformation!"


prove I'm wrong shill

 

[beachnut]

When have you done aught else.

The crater is very similar to NASA photographs of projectiles striking at trajectories of less than ten degrees.

True or false?

Answer the question.

The crater is nothing like the NASA photo. The crater in PA has plane parts in it, consistent with a 487 knot impact, at -41.1 degrees of pitch, and 142 degrees of roll angle. We can see the vertical stabilizer where it crashed into the ground at 486 knots and splintered into pieces spread for 1,000 feet. You see fantasy, rational people see an aircraft crash site.

What is the size of the NASA crater? The one made with a Pyrex sphere.
No, you crates don't look right, you claimed 10 degrees, now you are moving the goalposts, again. You never looked at the NASA photos close enough. Size of the crater? Please.

You had to photoshopped a single impact, to make your fantasy twin missile impact crater. You used craters created by KE, and then you make more fantasy by adding a warhead, explosives to make a crater, which is not the way the fake photoshopped photo was created.

JASSM does not go 3800 mph, and can't make a crater like the photos you posted. The angle to make a crater you photoshopped, was 4.75 degree, 10 degrees would not look right. You can't specify the angle or the speed to make a crater. Thus, your claim is a silly fantasy, you googled up because...

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

Ironically, you are saying the crater looks like a 757 impact, so you are going to fake the real crater with missiles in your fantasy.

When will you debunk the empirical evidence? Do you know what empirical is?
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
The fantasy
http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/

Never. You lie about the people murdered and make up a fantasy.

You will get upset you failed, claim victory and leave. Balsamo could use your help, go sign up with people who can do physics to match your claim.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?act=Reg&CODE=00
Be all you can be, join the pilots who deny 911, like you.

 

[cjnewson88]

When have you done aught else.

The crater is very similar to NASA photographs of projectiles striking at trajectories of less than ten degrees.

True or false?

Answer the question.

You never asked it. "similar" No. Half of it is, yes, but you've taken a mirror image and said 'there! it looks perfect' when in fact having two projectiles from different sides meeting at the same epicenter could and would look vastly different. I'd imagine the center crater would be twice as big, as well as a lot of disturbance to the side which was first made.

Furthermore, your images are made completely different ways, with completely different variables, with completely different materials. To claim just because you photo shopped it and said "similar = Shanksville crater was made by 2 missiles" is a massive flaw on your part.

So to short answer your question, No, they do not.

 

[yankee451]

You never asked it. "similar" No. Half of it is, yes, but you've taken a mirror image and said 'there! it looks perfect' when in fact having two projectiles from different sides meeting at the same epicenter could and would look vastly different. I'd imagine the center crater would be twice as big, as well as a lot of disturbance to the side which was first made.

Furthermore, your images are made completely different ways, with completely different variables, with completely different materials. To claim just because you photo shopped it and said "similar = Shanksville crater was made by 2 missiles" is a massive flaw on your part.

So to short answer your question, No, they do not.

You're saying an aluminum wing can cut a car in half, and the center image here:

Doesn't look like half of this crater:

Even if I mirror the image for perspective? No bells at all?

 

[yankee451]

We are here to point out the truth.

but you don't care about the truth, you care about making yourself feel important via asinine theories that you don't have education or the inclination to even support.


I can do that too!!!

"Yankee451 is a secret govt agent sent here to spread disinformation!"


prove I'm wrong shill

The proof is in the pudding. Very few of your questions would be considered serious by any serious people I know. Are you a real person?

 

[yankee451]

I think the cart is before the horse, should you not do the math first, to confirm your theory, before coming to a conclusion?

I didn't do the math first! DAMN.

Okay everyone, nevermind about the craters and the missiles and stuff...strike everything from the record until I come back with the math.

And then what?

 

[beachnut]

No Math required for Fantasy Missile; What happened to Flt 93 Passengers?

You're saying an aluminum wing can cut a car in half, and the center image here:

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/oblique.jpg

Doesn't look like half of this crater:

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Flight_93_aerial_msnbc.jpg

Even if I mirror the image for perspective? No bells at all?

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Oblique-2.jpg

Yes, you say JASSM, a missile not in the inventory on 911, is like a Pyrex ball traveling at 3800 mph, at 4.75 degrees. Not less than 10 degrees, but exactly 4.75 degree.

Notice an object more like JASSM does not make the right crater, which you can photoshop. How do you photoshop the real world to make the crater, with one impact?
How does a KE impact relate to a blast by HE in a JASSM, in a JASSM not in the inventory on 911?

Is a JASSM made out of Pyrex, like a ball?

You can't do the math?

What happened to the Passengers on Flight 93?

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

 

[Slowvehicle]

I didn't do the math first! DAMN.

Okay everyone, nevermind about the craters and the missiles and stuff...strike everything from the record until I come back with the math.

And then what?

Then perhaps we can discuss the debris, the FDR, the eyewitnesses, the RADAR track, the fireball, the DNA, the destroyed 757...not to say going over the lack of substantive evidence for fantasy scenaria...

...none of which you have yet, substantively, dealt with.

 

[cjnewson88]

You're saying an aluminum wing can cut a car in half, and the center image here:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/oblique.jpg[/qimg]

Doesn't look like half of this crater:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Flight_93_aerial_msnbc.jpg[/qimg]

Even if I mirror the image for perspective? No bells at all?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Oblique-2.jpg[/qimg]

Mirroring an image does not count as something being 'similar' I have already made my case regarding this. If you chose not to read it, thats your fault. The only way you can make it 'similar' is by photo shopping it.

 

[yankee451]

Then perhaps we can discuss the debris, the FDR, the eyewitnesses, the RADAR track, the fireball, the DNA, the destroyed 757...not to say going over the lack of substantive evidence for fantasy scenaria...

...none of which you have yet, substantively, dealt with.

Sure and the math that explains how the jet caused the gash, because you know, without that you're getting ahead of yourself.

No math equals no proof; so you trust authority by virtue of their authority and you believe the TeeVee because it's there, good for you.

shudder

 

[yankee451]

Mirroring an image does not count as something being 'similar' I have already made my case regarding this. If you chose not to read it, thats your fault. The only way you can make it 'similar' is by photo shopping it.

It counts for perspective.

Answer the question.