How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

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Yankee, are you claiming that the passengers and crew listed on UAL93 never existed?

Because if you are claiming they were real people, you have to explain where they went that doesn't end in "fiery death in a plane crash at Shaksville".
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Yankee, are you claiming that the passengers and crew listed on UAL93 never existed?

Because if you are claiming they were real people, you have to explain where they went that doesn't end in "fiery death in a plane crash at Shaksville".
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No truther here has ever answered that question.
 
yankee451 said:
Reduced to knitpicking typos, the A-team sounds the retreat.
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Number One is waiting for your report, Agent 451.

He just wanted to crash a frikkin' plane, but you insist we do it the absurdly elaborate way, and you specced missiles that almost certainly won't dig the right shape of hole.

Anyway, if all you want to do is dig a hole, what's wrong with a bunch of guys with shovels?
 
Once again, back to the fundamentals:

(1) All the evidence assembled to date substantiates the theory that a known domestic passenger aircraft plunged into a field with all occupants aboard.

(2) None of the evidence assembled to date substantiates the theory that 3 missiles caused the impact crater and simultaneously vanished a domestic flight known to be in the vicinity.
 
yankee451 said:
Demonstrate how the jet caused the crater, or demonstate how the missiles did not.

Capiche?
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well you've already demonstrated how the missiles did not and could not, by choosing as your stalking horse something totally dissimilar and playing with photoshop.

ETA - this is fun, but it's getting kind of boring and repetitive.
 
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yankee451 said:
... You won't touch the evidence, it's all about shooting and shouting down the messenger isn't it?

Now would any of you like to discuss the evidence or are you content with such childish antics regarding such a serious subject?
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Your evidence is fake photoshopped 3800 mph, 4.75 degree Pyrex balls into sand, which you "say" (say is not evidence, is BS) a missile not in production (in fact the missiles had problems and was not Operational until 2009, ouch) can do the same crater you photoshopped, not using two Pyrex impacts, but one, and claiming it would be possilbe with a missile with an 8 foot CEP that was not working right, was in test in 2001.

Messenger? You are a BS expert, who makes up silly fantasy.


yankee451 said:
I thought it was obvious. He's a buffoon.
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Who? The one who asks you to debunk the evidence?
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
Fight 93 FDR
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
The fantasy
http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/
How will you refute anything?

yankee451 said:
... You may have missed my repeated answers to MANY questions, so be specific, but be sure it hasn't been answered before or like beachnut, I will ignore it.
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Oops, I broke the code, you are pure fantasy. You make fun of the dead

http://yankee451.com/2012/09/11/shanksville-crocodile-tears-for-the-fictional-dead/
Crocodile tears?
You call the murdered on 911, the Fictional-Dead. Can you be more into fantasy than this. A fantasy of denial?
yankee451 said:
... You don't think military folks from every nation didn't recognize the crater immediately?
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It is exactly like a high speed, high angle aircraft impact. Any one who has knowledge knows it, and can confirm it. Why can't you?

yankee451 said:
The planes only work by ignoring the physical evidence, ... at trajectories of less than 10 degrees from horizontal. I'm still working on hiring an engineer, so you'll get a jump on me.

Should be a cake walk for all the swinging credentials hanging here.
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What happen to your 4.75 degee crater, made at 3800 mph? The one you posted? Well?
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/111aStupidClaimsbynutson911_zpsc6226717.jpg

MarkCorrigan said:
You mean physical evidence like DNA identified body parts and code identified plane parts including the black box?
That physical evidence?
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Not 451, not the guy who says the dead are, "fictional-dead". Can't be.
dafydd said:
Yes, the evidence that he ignores.
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yankee451 said:
Prove to me there was DNA found and show me the control groups and methodology they used to identify the dead. Prove it wasn't just propaganda put out by the people who lied about a jet creating the gash. Demanding proof from the most likely suspects is a pathetic reply, but that's all any of you have - well that and word usage, grammatical errors and typos.

Prove to me the crater was caused by a jet and THEN you can start talking about passengers. The physical evidence of the crash site does not indicate a jet crash, far from it. Until you can prove a jet caused the gash, everything else is 'alleged' and to speculate on whether the DNA story is true or false would be premature.

Unlike you and your jet, I have provided a better explanation for the crater, I have repeatedly shown the missiles were ready for production in 2000, they use decades old technology and god-knows the US military is missile-happy anyway, and best of all the physical evidence of a crater matches what two projectiles of about that size with explosives about that big striking in crossfire at 10 degree trajectories would probably look like.

The only thing missing is the math, which could prove me wrong, or prove me right. You could do the math to prove the plane did it, or at least to prove missiles didn't, but you choose to mock, ridicule and correct my spelling. That speaks volumes.
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You were Debunked by evidence on 911.

You will have to prove the DNA is not real. You will have to do more than talk and spread fantasy of missiles, one of the dumbest claims on 911 made.

http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf

Your fantasy is sick because you picked to take the low road, to mock the dead making up absurd lies based on your politcal biases, and hate. You prove this with words.
http://yankee451.com/2012/09/11/shanksville-crocodile-tears-for-the-fictional-dead/
You say:
Cruise missiles made the gash at Shanksville. Flight 93 never existed.
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The big lie, a NAZI tactic, or did you come up with this tactic on your own?

Something struck it from the other side, splitting it right down the middle – this could explain the burned woods; their first attempt hit a tree and detonated, splitting the tree and setting fire to the woods.
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Debris from the impact of Flt 93 cut the tree at great force, the impact KE greater than 1,300 pounds of TNT. Enough to do the damage. The heat energy of the jet fuel burning, more heat energy than 300 tons of TNT. ... you don't do science, you make up fantasy. You debunk yourself, ignoring your empirical data, on your web page, you make up lies. You deny the dead existed, apologizing for terrorists who murdered them.
Why?
yankee451 said:
You mistake me for someone who cares ...
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yankee451 said:
HAHAHAHA - whoo! Priceless.
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heheheheh

Yankee kept this to himself ...

"Figure 3. ...pyrex spheres ... Trajectory from left to right... "


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yankee451 said:
What you're saying is you're all smarter than I am so it can't be true, or someone else would have thought of it.

You don't think military folks from every nation didn't recognize the crater immediately?
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Didn't you say the military was all indoctrinated?

Maybe you should make a chart so you can keep your reasoning straight.

cjnewson88 said:
Let me get this right. Yankee is dodging all the hard questions and claiming he has answered them, therefore can now ignore them.. when in fact he has dodged/hand waved every single hard question but still claims victory?
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It's the "Ergo" strategy.
 
what mr yankee doesn't seem to understand is that he is the 47th person to try this same charade in the 4 months I've been here. I can't imagine how often the long timers have witnessed these types of threads.
 
yankee451 said:
Prove to me there was DNA found and show me the control groups and methodology they used to identify the dead. Prove it wasn't just propaganda put out by the people who lied about a jet creating the gash. Demanding proof from the most likely suspects is a pathetic reply, but that's all any of you have - well that and word usage, grammatical errors and typos.
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LSSBB said:
And it always seems to come down to "prove me wrong" when they can't even prove themselves right.
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Even better, yankee has been asking us to do his own math for him. Not content simply to ask us to prove him wrong, he wants us to prove him right.
 
yankee451 said:
I've already shown you the most likely cause of the crater - the rest of your list should pretty much write itself.
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Really? I haven't seen anything where you stated that UAL 93 made the crater. Or am I missing something?
 
yankee451 said:
What you're saying is you're all smarter than I am so it can't be true, or someone else would have thought of it.

You don't think military folks from every nation didn't recognize the crater immediately?
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Of course they did... As a high speed plane impact. :rolleyes:
 
How the crater was made? Well, the Meteor Crater in Arizona underwent mitosis, and the Shanksvile Crater had to move to Shanksville, otherwise its name would not have made sense.
 
So you think F-16s launched your woo-missiles.

As a reformed conspiracy loon I find your theory to be an insult to honest morons and crazy people everywhere.

I even threw you a bone with the B-2s because any half-brain conspiracy nut would know you need a platform that has a bomb bay, so those super-secret Woo missiles can be loaded inside a controlled hangar out of view of the public. Any card-carrying tin-foil hatter would know it would have to be a B-2 so the evil conspiracy would not be visible on every radar screen in the north east. A good CT nutter would have come back at me with a secret fleet of B-2s stationed at Wright Patterson (home to all things military secret Woo).

So even as a Conspiracy nutbar you are a 4th-rate hack.

Why?

You site a "witness" who heard a missile AND a jet. Guess what, Nancy Screw-Up, cruise missiles have jet engines. F-16s are louder than 767s, and the cruise missile is quieter (relatively) than both.

It gets better, you claim the first missile struck a tree. I presume you think it was flying nap of the earth (look it up), but the whole point of using stealth missiles is so they can fly where ever you want it to. So even using your own rules your theory fails.

I'll add that who the hell launches a stand-off weapon near their target? I'll give you a hint: Nobody ever.

Then you fail to even make up, or cherry-pick the standard cover-up Woo elements to make your case that the scene was staged. You have no stories of mysterious trucks around Shanksville in the days before 9/11. They would have had to have been big trucks carrying an entire passenger plane in pieces.

I know why you leave this out, though, because if they staged the crash site then why even use missiles? You've got your crack team of NWO Bush-Bots already spreading the parts around, burning the forest, but they never thought to just use those secret high explosives to make the crater. Using missiles would have damaged the carefully stages crash site.

You're not even thinking your theory through well enough to cover the MANY holes on the fly (pun intended).

Speaking of holes, the crater isn't big enough or deep enough to have been made by your Woo missiles.
 
yankee451 said:
You may have missed my repeated answers to MANY questions, so be specific, but be sure it hasn't been answered before or like beachnut, I will ignore it.
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Yankee, I have not called you any names, nor have I used any demeaning language toward you. So, why is it that you are ignoring me and not answering my posts?

About your comment on the crater that you say was created by missiles. I have fired many AGM’s while in the military, and I can’t think of one target site that looked anything like what you suggest.

BTW, do you have any idea what the normal dive angle for a JASSM is?
 
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