How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[Jack by the hedge]

Agent 451, Number One wants a word about another part of your plan.

#1: "These scapegoats of yours"
451: "Yes. The most brilliant detail. We have a terrorist cell of naive jihadists, eager to martyr themselves against the Great Satan, and they have no idea they're really being run by us."
#1: "And the evidence trail is unimpeachable?"
451: "Yup. There's documentation and independent witnesses to prove they really trained to be able to carry out the whole mission."
#1: "But you're going to fake the mission, plant their DNA at the scenes and cover up all the evidential anomalies at a cost to us of many billions of dollars."
451: "Expensive, I admit, but it'll be totally worth it in the long term".
#1: "Why don't we just let them do it for us? They're trained and ready to go. They'll do it for free. And then we don't need to cover up anything."
451: "Aww, but our guys would be really disappointed. And you know how you love needlessly complicated ways of killing people which are really unlikely to succeed."
#1: "I suppose. So long as we can pin it on a group of Iraqis and Afghans it'll pay off".
451: "Ah. About that."
#1: "What? All I asked for was a frikkin group of frikkin Iraqis and a few frikkin Afghans! What have we got?"
451: "Uhh. Saudis."

etc

 

[twinstead]

or what?

Or be wrong. Jesus, is accusing innocent people of mass murder of their own citizens on the slimmest of evidence some kind of game for you?

 

[Sunstealer]

Is there a point to this any more? Just ignore him. You can't reason with someone who doesn't have the ability to reason.

If people didn't respond to the silliness, then the OP would stand alone with a zero reply count as a monument to the stupidity of the no-planer illness.

 

[twinstead]

Is there a point to this any more? Just ignore him. You can't reason with someone who doesn't have the ability to reason.

If people didn't respond to the silliness, then the OP would stand alone with a zero reply count as a monument to the stupidity of the no-planer illness.

Nope. Posters like Yankee451 are one of the reasons I still visit the otherwise boring 9-11 subforum. It's all about entertainment value or physiological study (crazy or Poe? Poe or crazy? Only his hairdresser knows for sure).

If one doesn't expect a debate, then one can't be disappointed

 

[NoahFence]

A dusty thread has more common sense than this drivel.

 

[Furi]

Nope. Posters like Yankee451 are one of the reasons I still visit the otherwise boring 9-11 subforum. It's all about entertainment value or physiological study (crazy or Poe? Poe or crazy? Only his hairdresser knows for sure).

If one doesn't expect a debate, then one can't be disappointed

Absolutely, and the self debunking ones are the finest of them all.

 

[Furi]

40-70 degress for maximum penetration. Gravity. It's the law, baby.

Just to be clear, can you confirm that isn't a misprint of 4.0 - 7.0 degrees for the terminal phase of the AGM 158 missile's flight profile? and that the impact angle is between 40-70 degrees.

 

[Starving for Truth]

yankee,

How can we know that the crater was even real? I think it is important to consider all possibilities before jumping to conclusions.

- holographic crater?
- an optical illusion/double bottom?
- or maybe a real crater, excavated with shovels?

All this is of course speculation, but it should be looked at open-mindedly nevertheless. Otherwise people will just dismiss us as "crazy conspiracy theorists".

 

[Jack by the hedge]

yankee,

How can we know that the crater was even real? I think it is important to consider all possibilities before jumping to conclusions.

- holographic crater?
- an optical illusion/double bottom?
- or maybe a real crater, excavated with shovels?

All this is of course speculation, but it should be looked at open-mindedly nevertheless. Otherwise people will just dismiss us as "crazy conspiracy theorists".

If the press were only allowed to photograph it from one distant loction, perhaps it was just painted on the ground trompe-l'œil style.

It would save an awful lot of fuss and bother with untested missiles.

 

[dafydd]

yankee,

How can we know that the crater was even real? I think it is important to consider all possibilities before jumping to conclusions.

- holographic crater?
- an optical illusion/double bottom?
- or maybe a real crater, excavated with shovels?

All this is of course speculation, but it should be looked at open-mindedly nevertheless. Otherwise people will just dismiss us as "crazy conspiracy theorists".

And quite rightly.

 

[BasqueArch]

This video demonstrates how crusie missiles striking at trajectories of less than ten degrees from horizontal caused the gash at Shanksville.

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Except this was impossible because the trees blocked the less than 10 deg. from horizontal path of the fictional missile.
What yankee doesn't show:

 

[Starving for Truth]

perhaps it was just painted on the ground trompe-l'œil style.

Good thinking!

 

[dafydd]

Good thinking!

Good trolling!

 

[BasqueArch]

heheheheh

Yankee kept this to himself ...

"Figure 3. ...pyrex spheres ... Trajectory from left to right... "

Also the NASA trajectory of the ~ 1/4 " pyrex spheres that cause the gashes are from left to right. Crater impact first then spheres ricochet causing the gash, not the other way around as suggested by yankee.

Is that what you got out of the video?

It's based on the curious shape of the crater which can easily be explained by two projectiles striking in opposite directions at trajectories of less than 10 degrees. Because photographs of oblique missile impact craters (or any missile impact craters) are nearly impossible to find, fortunately thanks to Nasa, we can see what a crater looks like when it's caused by a projectile striking at such an oblique trajectory.

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1978LPSC....9.3843G/0003849.000.html

Since you missed it in the video and earlier in the thread, I'll post it again. If the above photos are images of craters caused by projectiles at less than 10 degrees from horizontal, then this is what two might look like striking at opposite directions:

Compared with Shanksville:

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[aggle-rithm]

This video demonstrates how crusie missiles striking at trajectories of less than ten degrees from horizontal caused the gash at Shanksville.

Oh, Christ on toast. This AGAIN?!

 

[BasqueArch]

Oh, Christ on toast. This AGAIN?!

Sorry, just tidying up.

 

[LSSBB]

How are you different than what you are accusing me of? Will you answer that?

My theory is that flight 93 crashed at Shanksville. Evidence to support that theory are black box transcripts and flight data, DNA matching flight manifests, airplane parts recovered at the scene, and RADAR. All of them are valid, legally accepted proof. No countertheory has been presented that matches the evidence found.

That's how I'm different: I am not presenting a theory that does not match all available evidence. You are, so dude you are behind the curve. Cough up some evidence.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Also the NASA trajectory of the ~ 1/4 " pyrex spheres that cause the gashes are from left to right. Crater impact first then spheres ricochet causing the gash, not the other way around as suggested by yankee.

I noticed that. I was sure he'd said it was the other way round, but couldn't summon the energy to look back to be sure he was wrong, so thanks for confirming.

Of course that makes his plan even less plausible. Even if you can direct the missiles with magical precision far beyond their specification, you have the problem that they both have to impact the same spot. Unfortunately, after the first hit, the spot isn't there any more. There's a crater instead.

You can't aim to hit the same point again within a few centimetres when you've just caused several cubic metres of surrounding soil to erupt out of the ground.

 

[tsig]

I noticed that. I was sure he'd said it was the other way round, but couldn't summon the energy to look back to be sure he was wrong, so thanks for confirming.

Of course that makes his plan even less plausible. Even if you can direct the missiles with magical precision far beyond their specification, you have the problem that they both have to impact the same spot. Unfortunately, after the first hit, the spot isn't there any more. There's a crater instead.

You can't aim to hit the same point again within a few centimetres when you've just caused several cubic metres of surrounding soil to erupt out of the ground.

That's why the only logical conclusion is that it was done by the same dustification beam that did in all the towers. One fast swing across the ground with a pause in the middle for the crater and Bob's yer uncle.

The white plane dropped the debris to complete the illusion.

 

[yankee451]

Also the NASA trajectory of the ~ 1/4 " pyrex spheres that cause the gashes are from left to right. Crater impact first then spheres ricochet causing the gash, not the other way around as suggested by yankee.






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Does that mean the trajectories weren't less than 10 degrees?