How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[yankee451]

Speculation is not evidence.

Neither is the word of authority by virtue of thier authority, nor is the TeeVee believable by virtue of its being there.

Gimme the math or be still.

 

[StankApe]

I have more evidence than you, and you still demand the math.

Well, since this topic is "How the Shanksville Crater Was Made", and since you all insist I need the math to prove anything, how are you going to stay on topic without the math?

lol, no you don't , you have nothing.

there is more evidence that you are made out of cheese than you have presented for your theory/ lunatic idea

 

[cjnewson88]

Beachnut has provided you over and over again with evidence. To claim we have shown none is to confirm that you are doing nothing but hand waving this entire thread. Like your fail understanding of aerodynamics over on your other thread, you fail at understanding UA93.

 

[Slowvehicle]

heh, oh I realize it, but it'll be miles ahead of anyone proving a lie any time soon.

I'm already having fun. I'm extatic.

Again, we disagree in gross and in fine. You do not understand the nature of "evidence", or "proof"; you talk about "the math" as if it were a talisman rather than a tool. You might even be interesting, if you would address actual questions: for instance, what happened to the passengers/crew? You have never addressed the actual 757, cleaned, loaded, fueled, serviced, boarded, tracked on RADAR, by a multitude. Are all of them, witnesses/passengers/crew, in your perfervid imagination, all in on it?

 

[fess]

Originally Posted by fess
Yankee, I have not called you any names, nor have I used any demeaning language toward you. So, why is it that you are ignoring me and not answering my posts?

About your comment on the crater that you say was created by missiles. I have fired many AGM’s while in the military, and I can’t think of one target site that looked anything like what you suggest.

BTW, do you have any idea what the normal dive angle for a JASSM is?

Yes.

OK, I’ll take this as your highly technical answer. So, what is it, and why?

 

[TJM]

To claim we have shown none is to confirm that you are doing nothing but hand waving this entire thread.

The handwave is the heart of the no-planer position. When presented with evidence that contradicts their delusion, you'll either encounter that or their fallback strategy, which is to ignore evidence entirely. Then they tend to change the subject and hope the original point gets buried three pages back only to handwave / ignore if it's brought up again.

Seen it many, many times. This particular no-planer doesn't seem to be very good at it though, hence the snarky one liner responses.

 

[threadworm]

You're saying an aluminum wing can cut a car in half, and the center image here:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/oblique.jpg[/qimg]

Doesn't look like half of this crater:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Flight_93_aerial_msnbc.jpg[/qimg]

Even if I mirror the image for perspective? No bells at all?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Oblique-2.jpg[/qimg]

Still waiting for any kind of evidence at all to support your made up fantasy theory that missile A can come from one direction, make a hole in the ground, followed by missile B from the opposite direction that doesn't destroy any of the evidence left by missile A. Or two missiles simultaneously creating such s crater shape.

Any evidence at all.

Has to be real, mind, not something you made up and said that must be it.

 

[tsig]

And it always seems to come down to "prove me wrong" when they can't even prove themselves right.

Accompanied by juvenile taunts and insults.

 

[SUSpilot]

I think intellectual honesty is what you're looking for.

Then you'd conclude that UAL 93 made the crater.

 

[tsig]

So we are agreed? You have no proof without math and neither do I.

You believe authority by virtue of their authority, and I have followed the evidence to where it led me. The only thing proving either of us right is the math.

Sound accurate?

OK, here;s some math:

1 + 1 =2

Tell me when I'm going to fast for you.

 

[tsig]

So without the math, and with a double-standard, the reason you believe authority is by virtue of their authority, and the reason you believe the T.V. is because it's there.

Whereas I followed the evidence to where it led.

Oddly the evidence (Pyrex spheres impacts) you keep citing is from an authority.

 

[TJM]

Oddly the evidence (Pyrex spheres impacts) you keep citing is from an authority.

God dammit tsig, you know good and well no-planers are allowed to have it both ways when it supports their delusion. You're reduced two steps in rank and those goat pens better be spotless tomorrow morning, when I have my constitutional.

 

[GlennB]

So we are agreed? You have no proof without math and neither do I.

You believe authority by virtue of their authority, and I have followed the evidence to where it led me. The only thing proving either of us right is the math.

Sound accurate?

If all the relevant authorities and all the people in the area were "in on it" (as they'd need to be) then why bother with cruise missiles? Just send in some hefty excavators and piles of debris in trucks. Much easier and much more reliable. That equipment ended up at the site anyway.

 

[yankee451]

If all the relevant authorities and all the people in the area were "in on it" (as they'd need to be) then why bother with cruise missiles? Just send in some hefty excavators and piles of debris in trucks. Much easier and much more reliable. That equipment ended up at the site anyway.

So you're saying they just cut the crater with a back hoe and dumped some garbage in there?

Why wouldnt' they make it more plane-like, you know outline the engines and fuselage more realistically?

Why do you assume so many people must be in on it?

 

[yankee451]

Accompanied by juvenile taunts and insults.

Anyone taunting and insulting me?

 

[yankee451]

OK, here;s some math:

1 + 1 =2

Tell me when I'm going to fast for you.

Speak of the devil!

 

[yankee451]

you must prove your theory.

or what?

 

[yankee451]

OK, I’ll take this as your highly technical answer. So, what is it, and why?

40-70 degress for maximum penetration. Gravity. It's the law, baby.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

or what?

Or diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel451.

 

[beachnut]

What Happened to Flt 93 Passengers?

So you're saying they just cut the crater with a back hoe and dumped some garbage in there?

Why wouldnt' they make it more plane-like, you know outline the engines and fuselage more realistically?

Why do you assume so many people must be in on it?

More silly questions to cover the fact you can't see debris.
http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/pub_pres/Edson2004.pdf
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris22sm.jpg
Debris easy to see from a distance.

Anyone taunting and insulting me?

Why would they do that?
What happen to the Passengers on flight 93?

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

You ignore real people who were murdered, and you don't care. Why do you make up crazy claims of missiles? Can't answer this?

Why do you ignore the FDR found in the impact hole?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB196/doc04.pdf

Speak of the devil!

What happened to the Passengers on flight 93?

You mistake me for someone who cares ...

Not only do you ignore the RADAR data.
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
You ignore the FAA controller who followed 93 on RADAR scope to impact, and asked the jet Susan saw, and mistook for flying under the wires, the white jet, to look and see if they could see what 93 did.

You ignore the crew on 93 being killed in the cockpit and screaming for their lives, heard by other pilots on the Radio. More science. You ignore reality to mock others. You lie about 911 for no good reason. You are as bad as you think your government is, and you can't do physics.


And the dumbest thing I have seen in a while, is your failed photoshopped crater, looks nothing like Flight 93's.

When did you figure out you were comparing a Pyrex ball going 3800 mph to a JASSM? To make up your lies about 911? LOL, at 4.75 degrees. How can you top this?