How homeopathy does work? - 4 Years of DHMS course.

[Homeo Man]

About MAS, you are near to answer of the mystry involved in Dr. MAS's account. (one man with many users)

Perfect Example.

Multi-agent system
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
In computer science, a multi-agent system (MAS) is a system composed of several agents, capable of mutual interaction. The interaction can be in the form of message passing or producing changes in their common environment (see stigmergy). The agents can be autonomous entities, such as software agents or robots. MAS can include human agents as well. Human organizations and society in general can be considered an example of a multi-agent system.

Multi-agent systems can manifest self-organization and complex behaviors even when the individual strategies of all their agents are simple.

Topics of research in MAS include:

beliefs, desires, and intentions (BDI),
cooperation and coordination,
communication,
distributed problem solving,
multi-agent learning.

 

[Homeo Man]

Are they developing homeopathic paint?

First J Members thought that arrange of lunch for skeptics is just a rumour. Now after watching picture, they are convinced it was a fair invitation.

MAS is not the owner of this hotel. He is a poor homeopath as he stated in the past. He uses Horse carriage for travelling.

The name "MAS" is the family name of people living in Pakistan. When he says, Dr. MAS then we have no idea who is the user but it is confirmed that the user is a "doctor". He is running "MAS" organization for many months. A very good way to discuss at net. When you don't want to create duplicate aliases.

 

[flume]

Hi Hoimeo Man.

Could you help with an answer on the Avogadro's number question ? Even if you think it doesn't apply to a complicated remedy like Apis, wouldn't you agree that it applies to a simple one like natrum muriaticum or the sodium sulfate question that Badly Shaved Monkey keeps asking about?
It would be easiest if you would start with a very simple case with pure water used for dilution.
If you really think it doesn't apply, could you show us the math for a series of dilutions so we can see what your thinking is?
If we could get the simple case cleared up then we could more easily talk about the complicated ones (not that we would necessarily agree).

I am thinking it might be a simple communication problem or misunderstanding. If you could work through an example in detail maybe we could find out where the misunderstanding is.

 

[Darat]

First J Members thought that arrange of lunch for skeptics is just a rumour. Now after watching picture, they are convinced it was a fair invitation.

MAS is not the owner of this hotel. He is a poor homeopath as he stated in the past. He uses Horse carriage for travelling.

The name "MAS" is the family name of people living in Pakistan. When he says, Dr. MAS then we have no idea who is the user but it is confirmed that the user is a "doctor". He is running "MAS" organization for many months. A very good way to discuss at net. When you don't want to create duplicate aliases.

If you can't understand how "MAS" members are participating in the forum then why to blame? "We" all are living in different cities. "We" have different email identities but "We" also exchange passwords.

A warning. Only one person may use one account at this forum, if you again state or give the impression that more then one person does use your Membership here then you will be taken at your word and will be immediately banned.

To avoid any further action at this time state clearly that your account “Homeo Man” is only used by one person and that person is the person named in the registration details you provided when you applied for Membership to this Forum.

I will also send this warning via PM.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Nucular]

Now, it's been made abundantly clear to all the homeopaths, through explanation, warning and suspension, that this board has clear rules on account usage which don't allow multiple users of the same account.

Now Homeo Man comes on here expressly stating that all the Pakistani homeopaths on this board exchange passwords and share accounts.

I just think it's so impressive that they've thought up this ruse:

• They want to get banned from the JREF board, so that they don't have to apply for the prize, and so that they can portray sceptics as a closed-minded bunch who'll ban you rather than listen to you
• Each individual acting up enough to warrant an individual ban would be time-consuming and unreliable
• So to state several times that all are breaking one forum rule achieves that end of all being banned with the minimum outlay of trollery!

Bravo! To anyone watching from the outside, this will probably, with some window-dressing and rabble-rousing by the "injured" parties, look like a very flagrant narrow-minded, dismissive response from "The Sceptics", banning every single Pakistani homeopath from the board in one fell swoop under some obscure forum rule - indefensible!

I did think these fellows were genuine when they first came here, and actually really wanted to explain what they believed, and to discuss it with people who were not of a like mind; and I was looking forward to hearing what they had to say. It's crystal clear now, though, that not one of them had any intention of doing so.

I hope they don't get banned, just so their plan has failed and we can keep asking them about their claims; but on the other hand, I wouldn't blame Darat if he just banned all of them on the strength of that last post by Homeo Man, which is clearly very much in keeping with the way all of these people have acted. And I think it's a testament to his patience and the nature of this board that he didn't.

IMHO.

 

[H3LL]

"The opiate of the Mases" has a whole new meaning.

 

[Donks]

First J Members thought that arrange of lunch for skeptics is just a rumour. Now after watching picture, they are convinced it was a fair invitation.

I didn't think it was a rumour. I thought it was a joke. Fair invitation? Hey, here's another "fair invitation". Come to lunch with me. Today. In France. In 15 minutes. You can't make it? Too bad. At least I tried.

 

[Gaga]

These days I'm re-reading The Lord of the Rings.
Funny how Gandalf's account of his interrogation of Gollum reminds me of this debate with Mas' Underbridge.
Admittedly I've little experience with message boards in general, but I don't think I've ever experienced this difficulty of getting things straight.
And it's not just a language problem...

 

[Jocce]

The most intriguing part is how MAS, kumar and the other homeopaths here do everything in their power to convince us that Hahnemann was wrong...

Hahnemann clearly says in the organon that there are no material causes to sickness. Only energy, of the dynamic version of course. He compares disease (and cures) as working like a magnet that can make iron magnetic from a distance (no material connection). He then goes on to "explain" that small pox and measles works the same since a child can "infect" another child from a distance without any matter flowing from one to the other. Only dynamic energy.

Well, guess we know a bit more about airborne germs today and that's the reason contemporary homeopaths try to find material causes.

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

HOMEO MAN

HAVE YOU READ THE DR. NAEEM POST (A HIDDEN MEMBER ON THIS BOARD) IN PAKI MAILING LIST.

HE SAID, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. OK AND DISCUSS SILENTLY. OK

NON-SENSE

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

A FAIR INVITATION

I didn't think it was a rumour. I thought it was a joke. Fair invitation? Hey, here's another "fair invitation". Come to lunch with me. Today. In France. In 15 minutes. You can't make it? Too bad. At least I tried.

THIS IS FAIR?

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=34

YOU ARE ALREADY AWARE OF THIS INFO.

 

[Darat]

...snip...

HOMEO MAN

HAVE YOU READ THE DR. NAEEM POST (A HIDDEN MEMBER ON THIS BOARD) IN PAKI MAILING LIST.

HE SAID, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. OK AND DISCUSS SILENTLY. OK

NON-SENSE

...snip...

A warning. Only one person may use one account at this forum, if you again state or give the impression that more then one person does use your Membership here then you will be taken at your word and will be immediately banned.

To avoid any further action at this time state clearly that your account “Non-Sense Homeopath” is only used by one person and that person is the person named in the registration details you provided when you applied for Membership to this Forum.

I will also send this warning via PM.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Gaga]

HOMEO MAN

HAVE YOU READ THE DR. NAEEM POST (A HIDDEN MEMBER ON THIS BOARD) IN PAKI MAILING LIST.

HE SAID, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. OK AND DISCUSS SILENTLY. OK

NON-SENSE

WTF?
did you take this board for your personal notebook??

 

[Nucular]

HAVE YOU READ THE DR. NAEEM POST (A HIDDEN MEMBER ON THIS BOARD) IN PAKI MAILING LIST.

HE SAID, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. OK AND DISCUSS SILENTLY. OK

Non-Sense Homeopath,

Who is this Dr. Naeem you refer to? A "hidden member on this board"? What does that mean?

Although I can't find a "Dr. Naeem" in the member list, it sounds as if you're referring to someone actually orchestrating the behaviour of the homeopaths on this board, and, it seems at this time, telling them to "keep your mouth shut" and "discuss silently".

I doubt this is against the rules of the board, but if this is happening it makes it extremely frustrating for those of us who have attempted to engage you in conversation, and then noted your lack of response.

Can you clarify what you meant? Are you orchestrating your behaviour on this board via PM or something? And are you all intentionally staying silent? And who is Dr. Naeem?

Editted for speling

 

[Zep]

I would suggest that these posts of Non-Sense about a mythical "Dr Naeem" and the "silent board" is merely stirring to aggravate us. If they were really being silent, they wouldn't have posted it in clear on this or any other thread here. But since it was in big red letters, it was mant to be seen...by everyone.

Ignore it - it's so childish as to be not even laughable.

 

[Nucular]

Heh, yes, I'm inclined to agree - explaining who this Naeem chap is wouldn't have meant anything to Homeo Man as he was supposed to know already. So it was meant for us to read.

This really is doing nothing for my opinion of homeopathy.

 

[Ashles]

Non-Sense Homeopath seems really desperate to get banned one way or another.

He displays ever more deperate methods to avoid answering direct simple questions.

The 'get banned' method is an exciting and novel approach we have only witnessed about, ooh 67 times before.

As I think it is safe to say we are never going to get any form of scientific anwer from non-sense and his chums, then our only amusement left with them is to watch the methods they use to try to avoid answering those questions.

I guess just leaving would have too much dignity to it.
Much better to start shouting, obfuscating, distracting, using as many smilies and font colours as possible etc.

Anyone still waiting for answers to their genuine scientific questions should really start acceptimg that they aren't going to come. Ever.

I just hope a few students of Dr. MAS and NHCPakistan have read these threads and had just a bit of a think about what exactly they are paying for on their courses.
And what, exactly, they are getting for their homeopathic membership.
And what, exactly, their 'teachers' are qualified in.

 

[Chris Haynes]

...I just hope a few students of Dr. MAS and NHCPakistan have read these threads and had just a bit of a think about what exactly they are paying for on their courses.
And what, exactly, they are getting for their homeopathic membership.
And what, exactly, their 'teachers' are qualified in.

Sometimes they are greatly disappointed... something I remember many years ago on the sci.med Usenet group (hey, I found it!):
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/6ddc6285a4c7f67b?hl=en

This is really a shame on Indian Universities that offer Homeopathy education for those who wantes to come to United States for their future studies.

If Homeopathy is not widely recognized in super power countries like United States, students should be made aware of this fact so that they do not spent their life wasting on this education, spending their parents money, and losing their most precious time of their life, in India.

Edited to add: This is the first discussion where he was learning the value of his education:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...e5134aa835d2?q=&rnum=2&hl=en#4afae5134aa835d2

 

[Rolfe]

Thanks, HC - that's the situation I referred to in an earlier post, but I didn't know where to find the links. I love the way the writer classes Canada and Germany as "developing" countries which still give credence to homoeopathy.

Now, ARE ANY OF THE HOMOEOPATHS GOING TO EXPLAIN, IN SCIENTIFIC TERMS, HOW HOMOEOPATHY WORKS? EVER? PRETTY PLEASE??

Rolfe.

 

[Psiload]

Sometimes they are greatly disappointed... something I remember many years ago on the sci.med Usenet group (hey, I found it!):
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/6ddc6285a4c7f67b?hl=en



Edited to add: This is the first discussion where he was learning the value of his education:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...e5134aa835d2?q=&rnum=2&hl=en#4afae5134aa835d2

Good point...

I wonder if our Pakistani friends are aware of the FACT that all of their homeopathic credentials combined would not qualify them to draw blood or empty bedpans in the U.S.

They certainly seem to have very high opinions of themselves and their "professions". I'd imagine that it would come as quite a shock to them to realize that homeopaths are positioned a few rungs below candy striper in the U.S. medical community hierarchy.

I like the part in that discussion where the person points out to the disillusioned homeopath that it would be better if he not mention his homeopathic credentials at all, as it would only work against him when seeking legitimate medical training in the U.S.