How homeopathy does work? - 4 Years of DHMS course.

[Dr. MAS]

Dear children,

I well come you on the behalf of MZA, Khan Homeopathic Degree College administration. You people are interested in learning homeopathy, how does it work?

The college has allocated few periods but I would like to take your class as and when I am available.

Let’s start from here.

Homeopathy is a scientific system of medicine. This was discovered by Samuel Hahnemann some two hundred years ago. Homeopathy is a system of medicine which is based on natural laws which was already existing but not in practice, Hahneamann was the first who understood and applied this law therapeutically. Homeopathy is based on the therapeutic law / principle “Similia Similibus Curentur” , a Latin phrase, which means that “like cures like”. Its main aim is to stimulate the individual's innate healing processes through the administration of minute "homeopathic" dilutions of specific remedies. Homeopathy is derived from the Greek homeo, meaning same, and pathos, meaning suffering,

The homeopathic way, is to give the suffering patient who has a set a of particular symptoms which characterize their condition, a minute dose of a substance which in large doses causes similar symptoms of an artificially inflicted disturbance in a healthy person. For example, if a healthy person takes belladonna tincture / extract for reasonable time. The following symptoms will be born depends upon the susceptibility of the healthy person.

delirium;
excitement;
talking, conversation; in sleep;
vertigo


OK children memorize this topic and I will ask few questions next time on the same topic before continuing my teaching on the same subject.

Bye

To be continued.

 

[clarsct]

Yes, I am familiar with Dr. Hahnemann and his work. "Like cures like" is nothing new here. You may continue. Thank You.

 

[Donks]

Okay, this is a nice change of pace. Ok, read the first lesson.

Dr. MAS, please continue.

 

[steenkh]

We seem to be past this level long ago! You know, we have actually had threads where we taught homoeopathy to homoeopaths who did not know their Hahnemann as well as some of us did!

It was no surprise that they scurried off.

 

[El Greco]

The homeopathic way, is to give the suffering patient who has a set a of particular symptoms which characterize their condition, a minute dose of a substance which in large doses causes similar symptoms of an artificially inflicted disturbance in a healthy person.

We would like more details on WHY giving a patient such a thing actually works.

Also, please give us an example of a disease that produces the exact same symptoms as belladonna poisoning.

 

[MRC_Hans]

OK, I realize that the question time may not have started, but a nice thing about internet communication is that I can nevertheless put my questions to the first lesson on record. The dear teacher can then answer them whenever he is ready to do so (but preferably before reiterating the whole of the Organon of medicine, since we already know all this):

Dear children,

I well come you on the behalf of MZA, Khan Homeopathic Degree College administration. You people are interested in learning homeopathy, how does it work?

Yes, please. How does it work?

*snip*

Homeopathy is a scientific system of medicine.

Please specify which scientific laws support homeopathy and how.

This was discovered by Samuel Hahnemann some two hundred years ago. Homeopathy is a system of medicine which is based on natural laws which was already existing but not in practice, Hahneamann was the first who understood and applied this law therapeutically.

Please specify which laws.

Homeopathy is based on the therapeutic law / principle “Similia Similibus Curentur” , a Latin phrase, which means that “like cures like”.

Please specify where like cures like is supported in scientific results, apart from the 200 year old claims of Hahnemann.

Its main aim is to stimulate the individual's innate healing processes through the administration of minute "homeopathic" dilutions of specific remedies.

Please explain how it is supposed to work in the potencies beyond the Avogadro limit.

Or alternatively, are you stating that the effect of homeopathy depends on the presense of (however diluted) remains of mother tincture in the remedies?

*snip* For example, if a healthy person takes belladonna tincture / extract for reasonable time. The following symptoms will be born depends upon the susceptibility of the healthy person.

delirium;
excitement;
talking, conversation; in sleep;
vertigo

In which potencies (dilutions) does this happen?

*snip*

Well, dear teacher, I am afraid that we are not very compliant pupils. Better alot plenty of time for the "questions" sessions.

Hans

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

Yes, I am familiar with Dr. Hahnemann and his work. "Like cures like" is nothing new here. You may continue. Thank You.

Hi Dr. MAS,

To stop such type of non-sense brothers and sisters, I request to respond to that question initiator who qualifies your "HONEST" criteria mentioned in forum management? What do you think?

 

[Donks]

Hi Dr. MAS,

To stop such type of non-sense brothers and sisters, I request to respond to that question initiator who qualifies your "HONEST" criteria mentioned in forum management? What do you think?

I think we should stick to homeopathy, not get sidetracked with whatever smokescreen you think up.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Hi Dr. MAS,

To stop such type of non-sense brothers and sisters, I request to respond to that question initiator who qualifies your "HONEST" criteria mentioned in forum management? What do you think?

I am afraid that by choosing in the first place to debate and educate via the internet, the good DR. MAS has committed himself to answer all reasonably sensible questions. It is one of the generally good properties of internet discussions that you have to judge people by their actions, not by their credentials. Thus, to ignore certain questions, on any basis but the sensibility of the actual question would quicly erode the credibility that Dr. MAS appears to be attempting to rebuild in this thread.


Hans

 

[Rolfe]

Homeopathy is a scientific system of medicine. This was discovered by Samuel Hahnemann some two hundred years ago. Homeopathy is a system of medicine which is based on natural laws which was already existing but not in practice, Hahneamann was the first who understood and applied this law therapeutically. Homeopathy is based on the therapeutic law / principle “Similia Similibus Curentur” , a Latin phrase, which means that “like cures like”. Its main aim is to stimulate the individual's innate healing processes through the administration of minute "homeopathic" dilutions of specific remedies. Homeopathy is derived from the Greek homeo, meaning same, and pathos, meaning suffering,

The homeopathic way, is to give the suffering patient who has a set a of particular symptoms which characterize their condition, a minute dose of a substance which in large doses causes similar symptoms of an artificially inflicted disturbance in a healthy person. For example, if a healthy person takes belladonna tincture / extract for reasonable time. The following symptoms will be born depends upon the susceptibility of the healthy person.

delirium;
excitement;
talking, conversation; in sleep;
vertigo

Mas, we know all this. And a great deal more besides. Argument by blatant assertion isn't going to get you very far here, you know.

First, on what grounds do you assert that "like cures like" is a natural law? There are some occasions when it may seem to be true, but there are also many occasions when it is clearly not true. So, please present your evidence for the existence of this "law".

Bear in mind that we know that Hahnemann's original experience which led him to this supposition, was mistaken. He took some cinchona bark to see what effect it might have, and experienced feverish symptoms. He therefore concluded that every healthy person who takes cinchona bark experiences such symptoms. We now know that this is not the case, and that while many many people have taken the stuff, nobody else has described an experience similar to his. It is now understood that Hahnemann probably had an allergic reaction to the substance.

We also know that while Hahnemann was right in believing that the curative properties of cinchona bark had nothing to do with its "astringent action on the stomach", as Cullen speculated, his idea about the relationship with his idiosyncratic feverish reaction was equally misguided. Cinchona bark cures malaria because it contains quinine, a substance now known to be toxic to the Plasmodium protozoan which causes the disease.

We also know that "provings" nowadays are done using preparations which do not contain any of the actual substance being tested (yes, we can go into this later). Therefore, how is it possible to assert that any symptoms experienced by the "provers" are in any way related to the putative remedy?

Given these facts, would you now please present your evidence for "like cures like" as a natural law?

Rolfe.

 

[andycal]

Dear children,
(boring blah blah cut)
OK children memorize this topic and I will ask few questions next time on the same topic before continuing my teaching on the same subject.

Bye

To be continued.

Hang on a minute, didn't you say you were writing a 100 page document that would explain it all??? So far we get some patronising rubbish that explains nothing.

Are you sure this isn't some lame method to win a 'troll' award?

 

[MRC_Hans]

I have chosen to assume that the "Dear children" part is a formal politeness phrase in Dr. MAS' native language that doesn't come over well in translation, and not an insultingly condescending mannerism.

Hans

 

[Ashles]

As mentioned by others Dr. MAS you are merely outlining what homeopathy is - I could outline what a magic broomstick is in great detail, it wouldn't mean one really flies.

What we are asking is how, scientifically , do you claim homeopathy works?

 

[Mojo]

I will ask few questions next time on the same topic before continuing my teaching on the same subject.

That strikes me as a remarkably pointless exercise, as we can just come back to your original post and find the answers. Or is it just another delaying tactic?

By the way, Dr. MAS, what is mekhbesi?

 

[Jeff Corey]

I must say I am quite disapointed with the quality of Mr. MAS's instruction so far. In fact, it leads me to doubt that Mr. MAS has any training or quailifications whatsoever.
I'm tempted to demand a tuition refund.

 

[Donks]

I must say I am quite disapointed with the quality of Mr. MAS's instruction so far. In fact, it leads me to doubt that Mr. MAS has any training or quailifications whatsoever.
I'm tempted to demand a tuition refund.

You get what you pay for.

 

[Perpetual Notion]

Hans and Rolfe ask very good questions. Will you please answer them?

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
MAS, let's say you have a 1ml of 1 molar solution of Na₂SO₄ solution. In 1 litre you would have 6.022 x 10²³ of each of the component moieties of Na₂SO₄. In 100ml you will have 6.022 x 10²².

If you want to use this as the basis for your next 1 in 100 dilution you will draw 1ml into a pipette and add 99ml water.

If the solution was well-mixed when you drew up that 1ml it will contain 6.022 x 10²⁰ of each of the components of Na₂SO₄.

You have suggested that there may be some other number drawn up.

Remember, according to probality law, it is quite possible that the 2nd starting material drop may not contain any molecule of 1st starting material (because that drop was picked up blindly from the bottle) and it may or may not contain 50% of the 1st starting material or may contain 99% of the starting material.

How many? What are the chances that the aspirate will contain a number substantially different from 6.022 x 10²⁰?

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

Mas, we know all this. And a great deal more besides. Argument by blatant assertion isn't going to get you very far here, you know.

Dr.mas In this class, there are so many students, who have different qualifications and academic background. Few are saying we already know that and few are raising questions. How you will you teach / treat them?

You claim, you have M.Ed (first division) qualification what would be your method of instruction?

They have started questioning from their mother and father's log in account. How you will recognized that Rolfe is not "perpetual"

 

[Perpetual Notion]

Nice attempt to derail Non-Sense. If you want to debate the whole sock puppet issue there's another thread for that. This is supposed to be our "class".

What does it matter who is asking the question? A question is a question and either he can answer it or he won't.

Oh, thanks for thinking I'm Rolfe. I hold her in very high regard.