How homeopathy does work? - 4 Years of DHMS course.

[Donks]

This has got to be the worst course I've ever been in. Even worse than those lameass integration courses in college where the engineers had to take classes with the business and comunications students. I guess you really do get what you pay for.

 

[Rolfe]

Molecules or atoms. What is the difference when none are there?

Seriously, As long as I can't make them understand the simple fact that you can only dilute a finite number of anything a finite number of times, I'm not going into the difference between molecules and atoms .

Well it's just that they start talking about reactions. Maybe the macromolecules break down. And maybe the molecules in the mother tincture react with molecules in the solvent.

BSM pointed out that even though molecules aren't preserved in a chemical reaction, atoms are. So, we could allow them to witter vaguely on about reactions all they like, if we focus on the atoms of the mother tincture, and ask them when these run out. Never mind what molecules they happen to be incorporated in, don't you realise you have to run out of atoms at some stage?

Rolfe.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

hallo Rolfe,
The thing about 18x potency stems from a thread on the nhc forum (here) and it was started by Non-sense Homeopath, go figure...
Re mas' brain, I think that the problem is that, like the nickname, the whole family is sharing only one. (as per mas qualification thread)

I am not going to protect dr. mas here. although I know him very well at pakistan level. He is doing right or wrong. This is another issue but this is all paranormal to you but not paranormal to us.

We pakistani (members of mailing list) know him how does he do? and why it is not understandable to you. I will provide evidence whenever it is necessary.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Dear members,

mas is a busy personality in pakistan. he is arranging a seminar. his recent activities can be found here

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=32

A Meeting of world homeopathic computer club’s was held in MAS hotel. 4th national educational seminar was on top agenda. Members agree to arrange the homeopathic seminar in good manner. Guests were finalized and committee’s were formed for completion of tasks. It was decided a committee comprising of Dr. Azhar, Dr. MAS and Dr. Zahid would contact speaker Punjab assembly or Health Minister to invite him as chief guest. MAS hotel staff served Famous Pakistani foods.

Dr. MAS is waiting for guest to arrive outside the hotel.

A beautiful view of newly built MAS hotel


Dr. Abdul Rehman Syed

Wait for his appearance at this board.

 

[Donks]

This is another issue but this is all paranormal to you but not paranormal to us.

Good. Can you then show us how homeopathy works? If you feel like it, you can start by showing the approximate number of atoms of a mother tincture, let's say NaCl, at each level of dilution, fot a 30C remedy.

I will provide evidence whenever it is necessary.

Fantastic, that's the spirit! Parallel to the theoretical quesiton above, you can provide evidence for your, or anyone else's, ability to distinguish a 30C remedy from the stock solvent.

 

[Perpetual Notion]

Yes, Dr. Sheik, we all know that Mas is a Very Busy Homeopath. Since he's not here and you're willing to provide evidence, how about you have a go at BSM's question. He's been trying to get an answer out of Mas for quite some time. Perhaps you can clear up it. Here's their exchange.

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
MAS, let's say you have a 1ml of 1 molar solution of Na₂SO₄ solution. In 1 litre you would have 6.022 x 10²³ of each of the component moieties of Na₂SO₄. In 100ml you will have 6.022 x 10²².

If you want to use this as the basis for your next 1 in 100 dilution you will draw 1ml into a pipette and add 99ml water.

If the solution was well-mixed when you drew up that 1ml it will contain 6.022 x 10²⁰ of each of the components of Na₂SO₄.

You have suggested that there may be some other number drawn up.



How many? What are the chances that the aspirate will contain a number substantially different from 6.022 x 10²⁰?

 

[Mouthfire]

Bah... I'm not convinced. Everytime there's a new account originating from Pakistan, I'm just assuming it's another Dr. Mas sock-puppet....

 

[Perpetual Notion]

He's not a sock puppet, but he and Mas are BFF.

Anyhoo, let's try to keep our new friend on track. Please Dr. Sheikh, I'm sure you'll have plenty of questions to keep you busy. Please expedite

 

[H3LL]

Are they developing homeopathic paint?

 

[wahrheit]

I am not going to protect dr. mas here. although I know him very well at pakistan level. He is doing right or wrong. This is another issue but this is all paranormal to you but not paranormal to us.

We pakistani (members of mailing list) know him how does he do? and why it is not understandable to you. I will provide evidence whenever it is necessary.

This is one of the funniest posts I read for weeks (except the ones in the Humor section, and except the picture of MAS waiting for guests in front of MAS hotel in MAS county).

"He is doing right or wrong."
"We (...) know (...) why it is not understandable to you."

drumroll please:

"I will provide evidence whenever it is necessary."

 

[Gaga]

I am not going to protect dr. mas here. although I know him very well at pakistan level. He is doing right or wrong. This is another issue but this is all paranormal to you but not paranormal to us.

Look, there's no need to protect him. As long as he remain evasive and obfuscating about the questions he has been asked I won't change my mind. If Hpathy isn't paranormal then you should be able to come up with a half decent explanation, is any of you minimally interested to share it in comprehensible terms?

We pakistani (members of mailing list) know him how does he do? and why it is not understandable to you. I will provide evidence whenever it is necessary.

Ok PERFECT! I've asked it on NHC I do it again here.. Do the math! I'll readily accept an explanation with some logic in it!

Why have I the nagging sensation that this is a masterful, elaborate joke? because of the hotel photos??

 

[Mouthfire]

I have to wonder, why does MAS keep insisting that we think H'pathy is paranormal?

 

[Rolfe]

I have to wonder, why does MAS keep insisting that we think H'pathy is paranormal?

Because it's eligible for the JREF Challenge.

We've explained to him the various ways in which homoeopathy may be described as magic (the activity of a physically unremarkable object which has had a magic spell - the dilution and succussion - performed on it, the vitalism inherent in the basic theorising, and the Sympathetic Magic of "like cures like"). We've also explained to him that in fact we do not believe that homoeopathy is magic, because we don't believe that it works. What we are saying is that if homoeopathy actually did what they claim it does, then this would be paranormal - it is thus they who are making the paranormal claim, not us.

None of this seems to have been understood in the slightest.

Rolfe.

 

[Zep]

Actually, a LOT doesn't seem to have been understood in the slightest by many homeopaths.

And I note Dr MAS's continued absence from here. From which I wouldstart to form a conclusion that either he is too busy, or he's gone the way of many other adherents of woo thought who have tried to uphold their theories here - just went away and tried to pretend we didn't exist.

He's a candidate for the Karen Boesen Award for ongoing total failure to answer reasonable questions and subsequent mysterious disappearance from the forum.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Dear members,
A beautiful view of newly built MAS hotel

Oh, for a minute I thought you'd written "A new view of beautifully built MAS hotel".

Are you sure MAS is not the Scarlet Pimpernel?

"They seek him here, they seek him there,
Those Sceptickes seek him everywhere!
Is he in Heaven? Or is he in Hell?
That demmed, elusive Dr. MAS!!"

Seems he's everywhere except where he might have to answer for his silly ideas.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

He is doing right or wrong.

That doesn't narrow things down very much.

 

[Ashles]

Is there anyone or anything in Pakistan that isn't called MAS?

 

[geni]

Is there anyone or anything in Pakistan that isn't called MAS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mas

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mas

This page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-agent_system

is peculiarly apposite!

 

[Mouthfire]

This page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-agent_system

is peculiarly apposite!