CSV FDR File was altered to make aircraft appear on southern approach

[R.Mackey]

I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind posters that the thread starter, rearnakedchoke, was one of the many Rob Balsamo sock puppets.

As others have noted, Mr. Farmer is a poster here, and we welcome discussions of his findings. This sort of meta-discussion about what other people once thought about his previous findings is utterly pointless, and the newcomer's gambit is hardly clever in the least.

Welcome to Ignore, "jryan1776," and I boldly predict you will not beat the odds.

 

[jryan1776]

If that makes you feel better Beachnut, so be it.

It wasnt "opinion", it was based on his calculations and analysis, according to Farmer. Did you miss what he had to say about you and ther critics regading his calculations?

....the critic's comments are curiously similar to the Wikipedia entry for velocity which leads me to believe he has no clue what he is talking about.

The fact remains, Farmer still maintains the CSV File provided by the NTSB was altered to show a southern approach based on his calculatins and analysis (not opinion). Anti-Sophist thought his analysis was "pseuodoscience", you and apathoid thought he was an idiot, TAM figured is conclusions for a crock, and others thought he only had a 9th grade science education. Its a shame his blog was nuked twice so we couldnt understand more about Farmer, eh? But the Loose Change Forum thread linked by apathoid exposes much of his contradictions (again, not based on opinion).

The only reason you have changed your tone about Farmer in less than a page is that Farmers "pseudoscience" (Anti-Sophist words, not mine) now supports the govt story. Keep up the good work!

 

[jryan1776]

I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind posters that the thread starter, rearnakedchoke, was one of the many Rob Balsamo sock puppets.

Yeah, we know, everyone who comes here posting P4T analysis or supportive work is "Rob Balsamo", but as usual Mackey, you have no proof for your claims.

 

[stateofgrace]

Yeah, we know, everyone who comes here posting P4T analysis or supportive work is "Rob Balsamo", but as usual Mackey, you have no proof for your claims.

We do? Been here before have you?

You seem to know a awful lot about this place and the people who post here.

 

[beachnut]

If that makes you feel better Beachnut, so be it.

It wasnt "opinion", it was based on his calculations and analysis, according to Farmer. Did you miss what he had to say about you and ther critics regading his calculations?



The fact remains, Farmer still maintains the CSV File provided by the NTSB was altered to show a southern approach based on his calculatins and analysis (not opinion). Anti-Sophist thought his analysis was "pseuodoscience", you and apathoid thought he was an idiot, TAM figured is conclusions for a crock, and others thought he only had a 9th grade science education. Its a shame his blog was nuked twice so we couldnt understand more about Farmer, eh? But the Loose Change Forum thread linked by apathoid exposes much of his contradictions (again, not based on opinion).

The only reason you have changed your tone about Farmer in less than a page is that Farmers "pseudoscience" (Anti-Sophist words, not mine) now supports the govt story. Keep up the good work!

No, it is based on his understanding at the time. He continues to study the issues that interest him.

I don't thing the data is altered on purpose by anyone; the FDR is what it is from 77. Nothing more. I have enough experience to say this by looking at the data. I have tried to keep up with Farmer's analytical work, but I don't have time. I have suggested why some data seems to drift of look altered; he will learn and even correct me in time!

I had no idea Farmer was as tenacious as he is to learn each discipline in his own way to solve the problems he has with things. It is extra credit his work clearly debunks CIT and p4t junk! Cool

I think you are having problem with change. Get use to it.

I just wait and Farmer will present more information backed with real research. What do you want? Things have changed…

I forget to shutup and learn; MacKey is right; but you messed up what he meant. Good job

Farmer said what about me?? OMG, he could be right; I need to work on my presentation; darn.. Maybe he was right from his level of abstraction. I have to let Farmer work, his results support what I think; I may not express my ideas well enough and Farmer has enough work without translating me.

 

[jryan1776]

p4t terrorist loyalist Balsamo. Ironic…

Beachnut you keep claiming this, but have you informed the FAA? You do know anyone supporting terrorism is now subject to certificate revocation, right? Personally, i just think you like talking out your ass.

Perhaps since Balsamo knows your real name, he'll report your false accusations as he did Reheat's claims of "logbook padding". But then again, you'll never hold a medical again in your life, so what do you care, right?

 

[jryan1776]

I have tried to keep up with Farmer's analytical work, but I don't have time.

beachnut
Philosopher
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: doghouse
Posts: 9,187

I can see why...

(insert laughing dog here)

 

[jryan1776]

We do? Been here before have you?

You seem to know a awful lot about this place and the people who post here.

Yeah, your forum is open to guests for reading. Didnt you know? Try it. Sign out and click on the 9/11 Subforum. You can still read it. Neat how that works.. eh?

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut you keep claiming this, but have you informed the FAA? You do know anyone supporting terrorism is now subject to certificate revocation, right? Personally, i just think you like talking out your ass.

Perhaps since Balsamo knows your real name, he'll report your false accusations as he did Reheat's claims of "logbook padding". But then again, you'll never hold a medical again in your life, so what do you care, right?

What does this have to do with your failed ideas on Farmer?

You do not understand the difference between what an opinion is, an what real research looks like. Why is this?


But we will soon be aah

Please show where Farmers present work is wrong. I mean he presents data he got from RADAR sites to prove p4t Balsamo has idiot ideas on 9/11. What is new? If poor Balsamo could do math, he would not be pushing idiot ideas on 9/11.

 

[stateofgrace]

Yeah, your forum is open to guests for reading. Didnt you know? Try it. Sign out and click on the 9/11 Subforum. You can still read it. Neat how that works.. eh?

Well I never knew that,thanks for letting me know, no flies on you right?

So,you just decided to drop in and tell us all about it , right? After all this reading as a "guest", you suddenly got the urge to join in the debate,right?

PS, it's not my forum, this is a public forum and I bet you will never guess what happens here. Some guys get all upset and start hurling insults, so much so that they get banned from here. Unbelievably the same guys then come back under different user names and start hurling insults again, only to get themselves banned again and again. But I guess, as a “guest” you would know all about that wouldn't you?

 

[beachnut]

beachnut
Philosopher
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: doghouse
Posts: 9,187

I can see why...

(insert laughing dog here)

I can see why you are so good at this 9/11 stuff. Great post

 

[jryan1776]

You mentally challenged drone, the data discussed is the mag track vs mag heading

The above quote from Beachnut on Farmers work. We'll see how Farmer feels about him being a drone on "track vs. heading" as its clear Farmer was well aware of such figures at the time. Too bad Farmer cant delete the LCF forum eh?


Beachnut, care to admit you were wrong on "track vs. heading" at this time? And that in fact you were the "mentally challenged drone"?

 

[beachnut]

The above quote from Beachnut on Farmers work. We'll see how Farmer feels about him being a drone on "track vs. mag" as its clear Farmer was well aware of such figures at the time. Too bad Farmer cant delete the LCF forum eh?


Beachnut, care to admit you were wrong on "track vs. heading" at this time? And that in fact you were the "menatally challenged drone"?

Who was the drone? (darn - rearnakedchoke, he was the drone. Not the wind; you must study this more)

(new thought based on the data I think I remembers seeing) It was the wind; please take a look at the data. Sounds like Shakespeare; it was the wind. (or it was the drift of the INS, and updates to the INS; wish I could explain, but doubt Balsamo cares about real stuff)

Too bad, you lack info; please try again.

rearnakedchoke, he was the drone.

I am glad Farmer’s initial association with p4t was eradicated, dissolved by knowledge. Poor Balsamo failed ideas and ignorance on most things 9/11 is easy to see after gathering fact, evidence, and using sound judgment based on knowledge and research. Why are you apologizing for Balsamo the terrorist apologist?

 

[Arus808]

jyran, farmer has changed his mind due to the research and time he has put in to understand what he did not know or understand at the time, he made his original opinions.

Do you honestly think that people can't change their minds?

for thousands of years, people thought the Earth was flat. It took one person, and that person be persecuted for his beliefs, to finally have that belief and OPINION changed.

 

[jryan1776]

Who was the drone?

It was the wind;

You claim the "mentally challenged drone" was the "wind"? Since when does "the wind" have a brain to be "mentally challenged"?

(insert ten laughing dogs here and an irony meter)

 

[jryan1776]

jyran, farmer has changed his mind

Unless Farmer changed his "mind" in the past few days, he still maintains his calculations (not opinion) were correct and that the csv file has been "altered". His calculations claimed as "pseudoscience" by Anti-Sophist.

Havent you been reading the thread?

How are "calculations and analysis" which Farmer still maintains is correct to this day, "opinion"?

Now, i can understand if Farmer flip flops on his terminology of "tampered", of course since he "quit" the movement, and is attempting to massage his "new friends" at JREF since he and nuked his blogs and everyone he worked with in the past. But Farmer sure seemed very confident of his past statements, especially when you hear him on the recorded phone call. I can see why Farmer would want to put someone in jail over such an uneventful phone conversation.

(insert more laughing dogs here)

 

[jryan1776]

Who was the drone? (darn - rearnakedchoke, he was the drone. Not the wind; you must study this more)

(new thought based on the data I think I remembers seeing) It was the wind; please take a look at the data. Sounds like Shakespeare; it was the wind. (or it was the drift of the INS, and updates to the INS; wish I could explain, but doubt Balsamo cares about real stuff)

Too bad, you lack info; please try again.

rearnakedchoke, he was the drone.

I am glad Farmer’s initial association with p4t was eradicated, dissolved by knowledge. Poor Balsamo failed ideas and ignorance on most things 9/11 is easy to see after gathering fact, evidence, and using sound judgment based on knowledge and research. Why are you apologizing for Balsamo the terrorist apologist?

Beachnut, Please try to gather your thoughts before you post. Your edits make even less sense than the original.

So now rearnakedchoke was the drone? But he only quoted Farmers work.

Back peddle much?

Hey, why dont you just delete the whole thing and claim "saving space" again.

(more laff dogs)

 

[beachnut]

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(insert more laughing dogs here)

Instead of inserting laughing dogs you should insert some data to support your ideas. Farmer presents findings; you present nothing but complains about off topic, but post more off topic than your complaints. \\\


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If you want to discuss the work I thought Balsamo was supporting without understanding a thing about it (like you seem to have the same problem), present the data and show us what it means.

This does not negate the fact Balsamo has dirt dumb ideas on 9/11; you can see his 11.2 G error all over the internet as some smoking gun of 9/11 being an inside job, but it only is a smoking gun for failed physics by someone acting like a paranoid fanatic who hates the government so much he can’t think rationally to understand 9/11.

When you line up the dots Farmer has put together, you get the path that hits the lampposts and the Pentagon.

If you think Farmer's work is wrong; prove it. Otherwise stop protesting change.

I only tell Balsamo I am saving space. The truth is all my posts are better if deleted.

edits? too bad, I have tons of Christmas lights all over the living room, I am getting ready to baby-sit kids tomorrow, cleaning up my engineering papers, cleaning up my KC-135 papers and manuals for storage, cleaning 100 plus beer bottles, burying our cat, planting our Dogwood tree over the cat, putting logs on the fire, doing the wash, hanging up the wash, folding the wash, planning my next silent computer, taking pictures of my 5 foot center channel, and hoping you will post some data on what the wind issue was or was not so I can change my position if a second look makes it so, etc

more erased stuff just for the balsamo supporter... ...

And I am just a doltish slug; hate to see what others can do compared to my bump on the log life

 

[jryan1776]

If you want to discuss the work I thought Balsamo was supporting without understanding a thing about it (like you seem to have the same problem), present the data and show us what it means.

I would, but it appears Farmer nuked his blog, twice. The first time due to an "attack" which he now accuses P4T and CIT of doing (but would expose many of Farmers contradictions, go figure).

Perhaps Farmer himself can produce it again?

If not, just read the LCF thread linked by apathod on the first page and where apathoid calls him an "idjit" after quoting Farmer.

This does not negate the fact Balsamo has dirt dumb ideas on 9/11; you can see his 11.2 G error all over the internet as some smoking gun of 9/11 being an inside job, but it only is a smoking gun for failed physics by someone acting like a paranoid fanatic who hates the government so much he can’t think rationally to understand 9/11.

I see you havent visited the page in a long time (looks like P4T just made another update, just for people like you Beachnut). And although it was pointed out to you numerous times that the calculations were corrected, you still seem to spout it every chance you get. I would bet out of the past 3000 posts made by you, 90% reference "11.2 G" when you get backed into a corner on a topic.

When you line up the dots Farmer has put together, you get the path that hits the lampposts and the Pentagon.

Unfortunately, 100-300 feet too high according to the NTSB.

If you think Farmer's work is wrong; prove it.

According to you, Anti-Sophist, apathoid and others, Farmer is an idiot, uses "pseudoscience", is "mentally challenged" and perhaps never finished past a 9th grade science class. Its all on the first page of this thread Beachnut, all you gotta do is read it.

 

[jryan1776]

The truth is all my posts are better if deleted.

I see Beachnut edited more into his post again. Like clockwork.

Just wanted to get the above quoted as i finally agree wih Beachnut. And if im still here by the time i can have a signature (i'll probably be banned soon like all of your "opposition"), it will be in my signature...

Thanks Beachnut!