Could WTC 7 have been pulled?

[Caustic Logic]

Last time i checked a fire chief or fire commander is not a demolition professional.

So you agree that if they did pull it, it must have been with cables. There were no cables, Ultima1.

 

[PhantomWolf]

The firemen were PULLED out before the call to Silverstien as stated by the fire chiefs.

You keep claiming this, I'm still waiting for you to actually prove it.

 

[pomeroo]

Yes the light bulb has been on.

The firemen were PULLED out before the call to Silverstien as stated by the fire chiefs.

Why are you guys so afraid of the truth, even when facts are prvidede to you?

It is impossible to be as obtuse as you are acting. Try to concentrate:

The FDNY makes a courtesy call to Silverstein;

THEY inform HIM that rescue operations are being stopped;

Silverstein agrees with the decision already taken by the fire department--he acknowledges that pulling out would be, given the dangers, the smartest thing to do.

The FDNY does not require Silverstein's permission.

Yes, we all get the idea that the rescue contingent was pulled either before the courtesy call was placed, or immediately after. What's the difference?

Can you begin to grasp the idea that you have no point to make here?

The concept of demolition did not figure in the conversation between Silverstein and the fire chief. Nobody was talking about, or alluding to, demolition--NOBODY.

 

[RedIbis]

It is impossible to be as obtuse as you are acting. Try to concentrate:

The FDNY makes a courtesy call to Silverstein;

THEY inform HIM that rescue operations are being stopped;

Silverstein agrees with the decision already taken by the fire department--he acknowledges that pulling out would be, given the dangers, the smartest thing to do.

...and then they watched the building collapse. You conveniently left that part out.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

...and then they watched the building collapse. You conveniently left that part out.

Thank you red to further supporting the point. Then and watched give transition of time and event. This PULL IT strawman is among the most annoying claims I ever hear...

 

[funk de fino]

...and then they watched the building collapse. You conveniently left that part out.

3 or so hours later

And the point was?

 

[twinstead]

The fact that we're still arguing 'pull it' 7 years later is a true testament to just how ineffective and pathetic the 'truth' movement is. Hell, truthers, if your evidence as half as good as you think it is we'd be arguing about how stiff Cheney's sentence should be after the trial.

Nice.

 

[johnny karate]

Yes the light bulb has been on.

The firemen were PULLED out before the call to Silverstien as stated by the fire chiefs.

But according to you, these same fire chiefs are liars that have been lying for seven years about really happened at WTC7. How can you trust anything they say?

 

[johnny karate]

So do you have evidence that the 2 fire chiefs are lying about the firemen being pulled out earlier in the day?

Well, according to you, these fire chiefs have spent the last seven years lying to the entire world about what happened at WTC7. That should be proof enough for you that nothing these people say can be trusted. Could you please explain why you place so much stock in the words of people you have already established to be liars?

 

[Bobert]

None of my friends saw the building being rigged for demolition by ANYBODY! Also
where would the FDNY get the explosives? Demolition by explosives is illegal in
Manhattan - that is why buildings are dismantled from top down.

Wow that would sure through a monkey wrench into the CT'ers idea of controlled demolition.
I mean after all why would the all knowing and all powerful NWO bring the towers down via CD when CD is not legal in Manhattan?
Yet another screw up by the NWO!
You would have thought that would have been mentioned and on the agenda on the 9-11 planning meetings.

 

[johnny karate]

...and then they watched the building collapse. You conveniently left that part out.

And then of course after witnessing events that "might not support [our] side of the argument" and "describe precisely, the characteristics of controlled demo" every single member of the FDNY at WTC7 mysteriously "came to agree with the official explanations" through either stupidity or cowardice. Don't forget that part of your theory.

 

[Bobert]

Now, why in the HELL would he want to send people back into a burning building that is completely unstable to attempt to bring it down in a safe manner by taking out a column with explosives? .

Sorry but I think that you need to do some research.
Everyone knows that Dick Cheney needed everyone out of WTC7 because he had to back up the dump truck and start loading all that gold that he stole.
He was able to getaway without being caught because his truck had a cloaking device.
BTW the spell check wont allow you to spell "Cheney"!
That is yeat another clear sign!

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Last time i checked a fire chief or fire commander is not a demolition professional.

so then why would one make a decision to demolish a building?

 

[Crazytimes]

I love the backpeddling that was done here on the term "pull"

My god Ultima.......

Let me ask another way.

Do you think that some type of explosives were being referenced to bring down the building when the term "Pull" was used ?

 

[Whiplash]

But, with all the conspiracy theories developing soon after 9-11, they decide to keep it a secret, as they worry it will add to the theories that the rest of the towers were also brought down intentionally. So they make it their little secret.

The CT's didn't start so quickly after 9-11 that it would be a reason to keep the act a secret. It's not like it all happened at the exact same time. While I remember hearing the 4000 jews didn't go to work rumor within days (IIRC), the major CT's were much much later. News of the decision to knock the building down for safety reasons would have come out on the very day of the event. There is no corrolation between the two at all.

 

[Gavron]

So do you have evidence that the 2 fire chiefs are lying about the firemen being pulled out earlier in the day?

Umm, you yourself quoted Chief Nigro where he said they were evacuated 90 minutes before collapse. 90 minutes is considered earlier in the day?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Yes, and the call was made shortly before the building came down at 5. So that means the firemen were out of the building at the time of the call.

Son, it was not Silverstein's decision. It was a decision made by the fire chiefs at the site. Silverstein happened to say "we", but it was not his call. He could neither have ordered them to pull, not ordered them not to.

Hans

 

[Bobert]

Ultima,
Will you be attending the High-Rise Operation Symposium being put on by the FDNY?
It takes place On March 19th & 20th of 2009.
This isy our GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY to have your issues addressed by the FDNY!!
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125673

 

[lapman]

...and then they watched the building collapse. You conveniently left that part out.

I love how twoofers are completely unable to grasp the concept of "Readers Digest version." They think that Larry made the statement and the building collapsed in seconds later. Larry had to describe what happened over the entire day in an interview that was only a few minutes long. AFAIK, there were no questions about what time the decision was made in the interview.

 

[Mangoose]

...and then they watched the building collapse. You conveniently left that part out.

"And" does not entail a causal relation.

Compare:

"The captain saw that the ship was taking on water too fast, and he made the decision to abandon ship, AND we watched it sink at a safe distance."

Did the decision to abandon ship cause the ship to sink?