Could WTC 7 have been pulled?

[Thunder]

so..the FDNY was pulled far away from the building 90 minutes before the collapse. this works perfectly with Silverstein's pull quote.

mystery solved.

 

[Thunder]

How?


How did the building come down as connected with the hardhats?

i have seen this video. there is no reason to assume that these guys didnt simply get the same pull-back call the FDNY got. we also dont know how soon after the video shot the building came down. it could have been 45 minutes.

 

[Thunder]

So you have no real evidence to back up your claim?

So those buildings just happened to be the only steel buildings in history to collaspe from fire?

plane impact damage, fire, weakened steel....you got it.

 

[Thunder]

Gee, i will try to make this as simple as i can.

They were running out of water, they could not fight the fire so it was decided to evacuate them from the building and away from the area.

BTW: Chief Hayden stated they were worried about fire jumping from building 7, 1 reason they brought down the building.

Then the fire commander made the call to Silverstein to tell him they could not save the building.

please provide the quote where Chief Hayden says "we brought down the building". otherwise you are lying.

 

[johnny karate]

So maybe you can explain to me then if 2 fire chiefs stated the firemen were out of the building earlier in the day (before the phone call) how can you PULL firemen that are already out of the buidling as Silverstein stated the fire commander decided to PULL IT.

He could not have been talking about pulling the firemen if they were already out of the building.

Your using statement from people you believe to be liars to support your assertion. How can you be sure they weren't lying when they said all the firefighters were out of WTC7?

 

[Thunder]

Your using statement from people you believe to be liars to support your assertion. How can you be sure they weren't lying when they said all the firefighters were out of WTC7?

this is because, when the MSM, FDNY, NYPD, Congressmen, NSA, CIA, FBI, say something that fits the 9-11 Sheeper agenda, they are telling the truth and MUST be trusted.

but when they say something that doesnt fit their agenda, they are NWO/Mossad/Illuminati/Freemason/baby-killer/Neonazicon liars and CANNOT EVER be trusted.

 

[johnny karate]

I am still waiting for anyone to show me a steel building that has collasped from fire in the US in the last 30 years.

It's possible that there have been many such collapses but they have been kept secret from us by lying members of the fire department for some retarded, unknown reason.

 

[Bobby]

What's the evidence for the term "pull" being used in connection with demolitions outside of the WTC complex? Surely, if the fire chief and Silverstein used the term interchangeably with Controlled Demolition, it must've been widely used before 9/11 2001.

 

[johnny karate]

So when the demoiltion team PULLED building 6 they did not demolish it?

Can you post any evidence to prove what i posted about the fire commander wrong? If you cannot be adult adult enough to admit it is not a lie.

Why do you supposed the FDNY told the truth about "pulling" WTC6, but have been lying for seven years about "pulling" WTC7?

 

[Gavron]

I am still waiting for anyone to show me a steel building that has collasped from fire in the US in the last 30 years.

Well, lets see....there used to be these two towers in NY, I think they called them Twin Towers.

But then again, those came down due to a combination of the plane impacts, and resulting fires ,that started a chain of events that led to eventual collapse.

I'm still waiting for anytime to show us a steel building that has been "PULLED" while on fire in the US in the last 30 years.

 

[johnny karate]

I am stating the fire commander used PULL as a term to bring down the building.

And then spent the next seven years lying about it, along with every other member of the FDNY. Don't forget that part.

 

[Gavron]

The ony time my firemen friends here have heard the term "PULL" was when they hooked a cable to the side of a structure to pull down a wall. Granted, these structures were only a couple stories tall.

I cant imagine Roger means the fire dept there hooked up cables to the WTC7, and pulled it over.

 

[johnny karate]

You guys really should do a little research before posting. NO ONE WAS NEAR THE BUILDING.

Here is still more evidence about the firemen being evacuated away from Building 7.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7 did you have to get all of those people out?
Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn�t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn�t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn�t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o�clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then.

It's interesting that you reference a statement by Cheif Nigro to support your claims.

Nigro is on record stating that WTC7 collapsed due to debris damage and fire, and has never mentioned it being "pulled" by the FDNY. According to you this makes him a liar.

So how can you trust any statements made by someone you believe to be a liar?

 

[Dr Adequate]

What's the evidence for the term "pull" being used in connection with demolitions outside of the WTC complex? Surely, if the fire chief and Silverstein used the term interchangeably with Controlled Demolition, it must've been widely used before 9/11 2001.

Here you go. (From the SkepticWiki account of the "pull" saga.)

ImplosionWorld: Conventionally, "pull a building" can mean to pre-burn holes in steel beams near the top floor and affix long cables to heavy machinery, which then backs up and causes the structure to lean off its center of gravity and eventually collapse. But this is only possible with buildings about 6-7 stories or smaller. This activity was performed to bring down WTC 6 (Customs) after 9/11 because of the danger in demolishing conventionally.

Blanchard et al, A Critical Analysis of the Collapse of WTC Towers 1, 2 & 7 from an Explosives and Conventional Demolition Industry Viewpoint: We have never once heard the term 'pull it' being used to refer to the explosive demolition of a building, and neither has any blast team we've spoken with.

It seems that ULTIMA1 is being wrong about the same thing on two threads simultaneously. A glance here might be useful, as indeed might the moderators merging the two threads.

 

[Gavron]

Great info, Dr A...thanks! That pretty much matches what my fireman friends have said. Not to mention, I'v enever heard of a fire dept storing explosives in their fire trucks in case they ever needed to "PULL" something.

 

[MarkyX]

Is that a steel building in the US?

Not in the US, but that wasn't your argument and I fail to see why location matters. Steel is steel.

 

[Zipster]

Not in the US, but that wasn't your argument and I fail to see why location matters. Steel is steel.

Nah, ULTIMA wil have you believe that Asian steel is much weaker than US steel.

Anyway, I want to add to the Kader Toy factory.

http://davidraygriffin115lies.blogspot.com/2007/05/fifth-lie.html

About halfway down the page he lists a few other steel structures that collapsed because of a fire. No airplane impact required!

 

[Plantfoam]

Anyways, I don't know how we got to the discussion of the FDNY demoing building 7 for safety reasons, and then keeping it a secret for no apparent reason. I've never heard such a desperate attempt to move the goalposts.

But what about the standard theory of building 7 being destroyed by the NWO? I've always wondered that if it were true, then why did they wait all day to do it? It seems like they could have easily demoed it while the south tower was falling on it. Nobody would have questioned anything then.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Last time i checked a fire commander is not a normal demolition expert. Please explain why he could not have used PULL as a demolition term.

Last time i checked a fire commander is not a normal cookery expert. Please explain why he could not have used PULL as a term meaning "baste in honey, lemon juice, ground black pepper and coarse sea-salt."

 

[Seymour Butz]

Has a fire dept or demolition team ever brought down a 40+ story building before, while it was still burning? Seems like this is the 1st time in history it had been done, and hasnt been done since then either.

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The only instance I can think of would be the fires after the Great San Francisco earthquake, when the fire dept blew up city blocks to keep the fires from spreading. Note that they weren't subtle about the operation - they didn't try to "drop" any buildings "into their own footprint" (LOL) but took the brute force approach, which makes the most sense since then, as now, fire departments don't have the expertise to carry this out.

Also, Forest Service firefighters will bulldoze firebreaks across public and private land if necessary to prevent fires from spreading.

I brought up the lack of training for demo in the FDNY, so Ultima postulated that they may have had help from a demo crew.......

But he also says that they pulled all the firefighters out of the building due to the "out of control" fires, which is about the only thing he gets correct. So..... the FDNY pulls their personnel out of the area, but now sends in CIVILIANS to plant the explosives, in an area that the FDNY itself has evacuated due to the danger. So now, not only is the FDNY silent on the demo, but the crew that set the explosives are silent also. And who would be helping with security? NYPD and PAPD - so it means that THEY are silent too.

Stupid.

But don't expect this birdbrain to admit that. He;s been shown conclusively that he lies. 2 weeks ago we had an exchange about the engines at the Pentagon, and the JT8D, so I referred him to this website: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml to see the discussion about the JT8D. it contains the following passage - .......The JT8D is actually a low-bypass turbofan that was developed for use aboard commercial aircraft like the 727 and 737. ...... Ultima insanely claimed that the site doesn't talk about the JT8D.

I pointed out his lie, but of course, he ignored that fact. Everyone here should get used to this from this terrorist apologist if you think you're gonna get any response from him. He's a troll.