One Meridian Plaza. Show me the building today, it was totaled by fire. WTC7 was totaled by fire.
Could WTC 7 have been pulled?
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Becasue they can in an emergency.
Yes, i know. It was the incident commad (IC) that made the decision to bring down the building.
Silverstein had not authority, specailly over pulling the firemen.
Exactly it was totaled BUT DID NOT COLLAPSE.
No steel building has ever collaposed from fire no matter how severe. (according to firemen and fire experts).
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Please show us one example of a fire dept demolishing a still burning 20+ story building.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Meridian_Plaza_fire
Not that I am a huge fan of wikipedia, but at least this article says that at 7:00 the building was evacuated because fears of a 'pancake' type collapse. Why would they worry about this if it is impossible?
Not that I am a huge fan of wikipedia, but at least this article says that at 7:00 the building was evacuated because fears of a 'pancake' type collapse. Why would they worry about this if it is impossible?
I see ULTIMA ignored this very vaild question.
He is on ignore and I doubt he will ever answer this question let alone attend this event for the world to see that is a terrorist apologist fraud.
Well let me state that we have tried to get people to together on other forums to go places like Shankesville to talk to the witnesses.
But wouldn't you know the people that beleived the official story were afraid to go becasue they did not want to hear things that would have been different then what they were told happened.
I would go to this as long as it would be an open debate forum and not run by the media who gets to pick and choose who ask questions and what questions they ask.
Oh boy.
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The "pull it" scam is the one thing people can use to be skeptical of all your ideas on 9/11. This one delusion, the "pull it" smoking gun for those who lack the knowledge in life and 9/11 issues, is the easy to see you have problems keeping your fantasy ideas from controlling your understanding reality. This simple semantic error on your part makes it easy for kids to learn the difference between evidence and fantasy based opinions you push. Your ideas on 9/11 are a good tutor for kids to learn between reality, opinions, and evidence. Good job
Have you read the report? No
Fire destroys steel's strength.
One thing you do not understand?
Too late! The witnesses support the hard evidence found in the ground. The FDR, even the wind that day speaks for the hard evidence. The impact itself proves no shoot down, unless you invisible, silent, never seen missile engagement (lacking the sonic boom! Of the missile) does not do real damage, to the engine or the systems of the plane, is it possible? Not even the CVR picked up the sonic boom of the missile flying into 93. \
Why the tangent?
You are now on a tangent because your false ideas on the "pull it" scam have failed. ???
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Gee, one thing you sure do not understand is how to research and get information from professionals.
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C.4 This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range. But even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC collapse. It was noted above that the wind load controlled the design allowables. The WTC, on this low-wind day, was likely not stressed more than a third of the design allowable, which is roughly one-fifth of the yield strength of the steel. Even with its strength halved, the steel could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650°C fire.
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so theres an emergency, and suddenly non-experts are allowed to knock down large buildings in the middle of manhattan? this is why i live in chicago, new york is too screwy
no steel building? are we back to kader toy factory again? i know you were upset it wasnt in the US but i didnt think that meant it didnt exist
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I see you are still unable to answer this question, ULTIMA1...
Ultima1, can you please show us one example of a fire dept demolishing a still burning 20+ story building?
I just want to see an example of a fire dept "pulling" a burning building prior to 9/11...
Ultima1, can you please show us one example of a fire dept demolishing a still burning 20+ story building?
I just want to see an example of a fire dept "pulling" a burning building prior to 9/11...
so theres an emergency, and suddenly non-experts are allowed to knock down large buildings in the middle of manhattan? this is why i live in chicago, new york is too screwy
Who said non-experts knocked down the building. ALl i said was the fire commander decided to do it?
Well as most people with basic intelligence know other countris do not have the building codes we do. Also was the buidling all steel or stele and concrete?
NO steel building in the US has collapsed from fire.
As I thought, your WTC7 "pull it" opinion is based on your lack of knowledge. Your failure to understand fire is noted as you quote and lack understanding.
You make up stuff as you go, or you have some engineering to go with your opinion? Doubt some numbers will be appearing on your failed opinion calculations the WTC fires can't weaken steel.
Pull it, your posts not supporting your opinion on "pull it".
WTC7, where is it? Why?
One Meridian Plaza, where is it? Why?
Windsor Building in Madrid, where is it? Why?
Were those fires fought?
Which ones? Oh?
Fire?
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NO, my "pull it" statement is based on facts and evidence i can show, maybe you should try it sometime.
Even more evidence the firemen were pulled out BEFORE the phone call.
http://911guide.googlepages.com/danielnigro
For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.