Could WTC 7 have been pulled?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Once again, our new Troll represents the absurdity, contradictions, and illogical nature of "9/11 Truth".

I don't think he's a troll. I honestly think that he is very, very ill. I know a few members here have a personal policy of placing sick individuals on ignore, and I've done the same with ULTIMA1.

 

[Dave_46]

<snip>Dark smoke implies the presence of soot, which is composed of uncombusted hydrocarbons. Soot is produced when a fire is oxygen-starved, or has just been extinguished. <snip?

This is at least the third fourth fifth time I have posted this.

I just wanted to pick up on the smoke colour.

I happened to be reading a guide to the United Kingdom Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety)

Order yesterday (don't ask!) The one I was reading was for producing a Fire Risk

Assessment for Small And Medium Places Of Assembly.

Link http://www.communities.gov.uk/pub/426/SmallandMediumPlacesofAssemblyfullguide_id1500426.pdf

At the bottom of page 16 (document page) is this paragraph.

Smoke produced by a fire also contains
toxic gases which are harmful to
people. A fire in a building with modern
fittings and materials generates smoke
that is thick and black, obscures vision,
causes great difficulty in breathing and
can block the escape routes.

This fits with my experience, and it has been mentioned by other posters here, the smoke

colour is mainly influenced by what is burning, and is not indicative of oxygen

starvation.

Dave

Edited to change Entertainment to Assembly in the document name

 

[Gavron]

I think that describes perfectly what we were seeing on that fatefull day....

 

[JimBenArm]

NVM. This thread is stupid.

 

[bje]

I don't think he's a troll. I honestly think that he is very, very ill. I know a few members here have a personal policy of placing sick individuals on ignore, and I've done the same with ULTIMA1.

Perhaps you are correct.

I do note that in a period of just over 35 hours, Ultima1 managed to chalk up 374 posts here on JREF since he first joined yesterday.

In contrast, this is post #753 for me since I first posted in March 2007 - 19 months ago. Ultima1 has reached half the number of my posts in a mere 1 1/2 days.

OCD?

 

[Zipster]

Perhaps you are correct.

I do note that in a period of just over 35 hours, Ultima1 managed to chalk up 374 post here on JREF since he first joined.

In contrast, this is post number 753 for me since I first posted in March 2007 - 19 months ago. Ultima1 has reached half the number of my posts in a mere 1 1/2 days.

OCD?

OCD indeed. He won't let any point go without a response. Like I said, he's a virus that just spreads.

 

[bje]

OCD indeed. He won't let any point go without a response. Like I said, he's a virus that just spreads.

...and spreads as easy as .

 

[PhantomWolf]

ULTIMA1,

Please provide evidence of the following things:

1) Your claim that the phone call was after the fire fighters were ordered out at about 3pm

2) That a building can be preped for demolition in less than 2 hours (the time from the the get out order to the collapse of the building in which you claim the phone call and decision to demolish the building occured). This includes the bringing in of the explosives unless you can show why they were already nearby.

3) Your claim that the Fire Commander used the either of the words "Pull" or "Pulled" in his conversation with Silverstien. You have repeatedly made this claim with zero proof.

 

[PhantomWolf]

OCD indeed. He won't let any point go without a response. Like I said, he's a virus that just spreads.

The funny thing is that anything that seriously harms his case he simply ignores.

 

[Zipster]

The funny thing is that anything that seriously harms his case he simply ignores.

Only because it falls outside of the script he adheres to. And that it's new information.

Also shows the hypocrite in him. Tells us to constantly do research, but yet refuses to research our newer information (or the information that's been there all along, but he conveniently overlooks ).

Watch, when he gets on at 2 am or so, he's going rip into this post. He'll most likely say: "NO. I do research, and don't believe everything that the media says, unlike everyone else on here."

 

[pomeroo]

So when the demoiltion team PULLED building 6 they did not demolish it?

Can you post any evidence to prove what i posted about the fire commander wrong? If you cannot be adult adult enough to admit it is not a lie.

When the demolition team PULLED building 6, they ATTACHED CABLES TO IT (it didn't work too well, by the way). Eventually you will tire of being corrected and move on to other thoroughly debunked canards.

 

[pomeroo]

NO, please do not try to twist my post, it only makes you look childish.

I am stating the fire commander used PULL as a term to bring down the building.

No, demolition professionals use the term "pull" to mean "attach cables to a relatively small structure and literally pull it off its center of gravity."

Are you getting tired of hearing this yet? Do you think that it's past time to abandon a very silly lie that has been worn to rags in this forum?

 

[pomeroo]

You guys really should do a little research before posting. NO ONE WAS NEAR THE BUILDING.

Here is still more evidence about the firemen being evacuated away from Building 7.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7 did you have to get all of those people out?
Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn�t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn�t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn�t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o�clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then.

Has the light bulb appeared over your head yet? Are you starting to notice something?

C'mon, really try now.

 

[twinstead]

That boy ain't right

 

[pomeroo]

That boy ain't right

He provides a quote from Hayden that utterly destroys the lie he's peddling. Huh? The only other loon who has engaged in that bizarre form of ritual suicide is a guy called "Ion," who disputed my claim that France's intelligence services had concluded that Saddam retained WMD by posting a link to an article that confirmed what I was arguing.

He keeps whizzing by the rather inconvenient fact that it was Silverstein, not the fire chief with whom he was talking, who used the expression, "pull it." He keeps pretending that someone in the FDNY talked about "pulling" building 7. It didn't happen.

 

[Thunder]

It is now clear, that the only way truthers can argue that the FDNY or Silverstein said they pulled WTC 7 and not the rescue workers around it...is by LIEING.

 

[Baylor]

Perhaps you are correct.

I do note that in a period of just over 35 hours, Ultima1 managed to chalk up 374 posts here on JREF since he first joined yesterday.

In contrast, this is post #753 for me since I first posted in March 2007 - 19 months ago. Ultima1 has reached half the number of my posts in a mere 1 1/2 days.

OCD?

Maybe not OCD. But a helluva lot of cognitive dissonance.

 

[ULTIMA1]

No, demolition professionals use the term "pull" to mean "attach cables to a relatively small structure and literally pull it off its center of gravity."

Last time i checked a fire chief or fire commander is not a demolition professional.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Has the light bulb appeared over your head yet? Are you starting to notice something?

Yes the light bulb has been on.

The firemen were PULLED out before the call to Silverstien as stated by the fire chiefs.

Why are you guys so afraid of the truth, even when facts are prvidede to you?

 

[ULTIMA1]

It is now clear, that the only way truthers can argue that the FDNY or Silverstein said they pulled WTC 7 and not the rescue workers around it...is by LIEING.

So do you have evidence that the 2 fire chiefs are lying about the firemen being pulled out earlier in the day?