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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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Arisia said:
To me, the Holocaust covers more than just those killed specifically by gassing in the concentration camps. Does that make me unusual?
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If you emphases the supposed extermination of non-Jews then it does.

Jews own all the rights to the Holocaust.
 
MaGZ said:
Why were German, Italian and Japanese civilians in American concentration camps? What have they done wrong?
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You're evading the question. This thread is about the Nazi concentration camps. Start another thread if you want to discuss that subject. And the comparison you're trying to make is ludicrous.
 
Arisia said:
Exactly. The Third Reich had many methods to achieve their aim, which was to remove that which was not Aryan from their society. 'Those people weren't gassed by the Nazis, but shot (or worked to death, or starved, or weren't treated for curable conditions, etc) by the Nazis, so that proves the Holocaust didn't happen' is a ridiculous argument. It doesn't much matter to me exactly how it got there, the hands of Nazis were red with the blood of millions of people.
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So, what's you favorite Holocaust movie?
 
nothing is keeping the Poles, the Czechs, the Serbs, the Russians, the Gypsies, the gays, the Freemasons, from discussing their suffering during the Holocaust.
 
the most recent argument from a Holocaust denier I got, is that the Jews made up Jewish population stats in pre-WW 2 Europe. so basically, the reason why there appears to me 5.1 million or more missing Jews in Europe, aint cause they was killed, but be because the stats are wrong.

and yet, no evidence has ever been provided, of how the Jews faked the Jewish pre-war stats for Germany, Poland, France, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Italy, Romania, Russia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Finland, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, etc etc etc.

and none ever will, cause Holocaust deniers are full of **** and they KNOW it.
 
Ignorantbystander said:
...or pointing out allied attrocities like Dresden or Hiroshima.
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*sigh*

Looks like I have to educate another person on the how and why of the strategic bomber offensives. Always love how when folks resort to comments like the one quoted above they always mention Dresden and/or Hiroshima but never seem to mention Hamburg or Tokyo...
 
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Thunder said:
the most recent argument from a Holocaust denier I got, is that the Jews made up Jewish population stats in pre-WW 2 Europe. so basically, the reason why there appears to me 5.1 million or more missing Jews in Europe, aint cause they was killed, but be because the stats are wrong.

and yet, no evidence has ever been provided, of how the Jews faked the Jewish pre-war stats for Germany, Poland, France, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Italy, Romania, Russia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Finland, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, etc etc etc.

and none ever will, cause Holocaust deniers are full of **** and they KNOW it.
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Those Nazis then must have been so stupid to have been fooled by these fake numbers. That's a master race? :rolleyes: I mean, they used them themselves here (pages 4 & 6).
 
MaGZ said:
Why were German, Italian and Japanese civilians in American concentration camps? What have they done wrong?
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Tell me, MaGZ, how many died in those internment camps?
And tell me, MaGZ, how many people died in Mauthausen alone?

Does that tell you something about the difference?

But I guess no answer is forthcoming in that question either. You only run away when asked pertinent questions.
 
Why is it that pretty much without exception, Holocaust deniers are the type of scumbags who would to have another go at it?
 
Ignorantbystander said:
No, popular belief is that people often mistake the pictures of corpses from Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen for gassing victims and therefor photographic evidence of the holocaust.

It is evidence of Nazi attrocities, which are not denied by most deniers, rather played down by blaming the allies for the food shortage and lack of medical care in the camps by bombing Germany or pointing out allied attrocities like Dresden or Hiroshima.
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But yet, people in the nearby towns had plenty of food, and almost all were well dressed. I watched the entire video.
 
Saggy said:
The largest labor camp by far was Auschwitz, supplying up to 70,000 laborers every day to Siemens, Krupp, Farben, and many other industries in the area. These industries were crucial to the Nazi war effort. See a photo of the Farben plant near Auschwitz here ... http://www.holohoax101.com/103/
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Logical fallacy: False dichotomy. You seem to argue that if Auschwitz was or had a labor camp, it could not have been or had a death camp.
A child of 8 years could see through that stupidity.

And don't forget the Einsatzgruppen (500,000 murdered in the first sweep until the end of 1941; 400,000 more in the second sweep) with their many detailed, explicit and unchallenged "Ereignismeldungen" ("incident reports"), that inform us in no uncertain terms about the nature and scope of the murder spree. For example Kiev:
Ereignismeldung UdSSR Nr. 101 vom 2. Oktober 1941:

Das Sonderkommando 4a hat in Zusammenarbeit mit Gruppenstab und zwei Kommandos des Polizei-Regiments Süd am 29. und 30. September 1941 in Kiew 33.771 Juden exekutiert
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(Translation: "Special command 4a, in collaboration with Group Staff and two commands of the Police Regiment South, have executed 33,771 Jews in Kiev on september 29 and 30, 1941"; source: Bundesarchiv Koblenz, R 58 Nr. 218, NO-3137). These 2 days in Kiev alone saw 3 times as many Jews murdered than died during the 7 years that the Nazis operated Buchenwald. If holocaust deniers ought to explain something, they should start to explain why Sonderkommando 4a executed 33,771 Jews on 2 days in Kiev. There is no doubt that this happened. I was at the place last November: Babyn Yar, a valley in the city.

Don't forget Sobibor (ca. 200,000 murdered) which was exclusively a killing installation, no labor.
Don't forget Belzek (ca. 450,000 murdered in one year alone) which was exclusively a killing installation, no labor, in 1942.
Don't forget Treblinka II (possibly more than 1 million murdered)

Saggy, you knew about allo that, 2.5 million dead in camps and actions that were exclusively installed and ordered to mass murder.

Saggy said:
Odd place to kill 10,000 Jews per day right? The holohoax is absurd on its face, it depends on total ignorance of the facts.

As for being equipped for efficient mass murder, have a look at the hoax gas chamber at Auschwitz here http://www.holohoax101.com/, built by the Soviets after the war ! Completely absurd.
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Does anybody claim these were the original gas chambers? So how does your observation about this educational site disprove anything?
 
Oystein said:
These 2 days in Kiev alone saw 3 times as many Jews murdered than died during the 7 years that the Nazis operated Buchenwald. If holocaust deniers ought to explain something, they should start to explain why Sonderkommando 4a executed 33,771 Jews on 2 days in Kiev.
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Any investigation on the site would immediately reveal that Babi Yar is a hoax, so none are permitted. There are no bodies, there is no physical evidence whatever to support the hoax.

For a dissection of the Babi Yar lies, see ..

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndbabiyar.html

The Ukranians are finally waking up to the hoax ...

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html

For an quick overview and excerpts from the poem see 'Mass Graves at Vinnitsa, Poems for Babi Yar' at

http://www.holohoax101.com/201/
 
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