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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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Gawdzilla said:
Oystein, you completely miss the point. I want the Holocaust deniers to explain what I've posted. Not wander off the track into their pettifogging, niggling little diversions.
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You think you are so special that you are worth the attention?
 
Gawdzilla said:
So, you don't deny they were there? That many thousands died in the hands of their captors? And that this establishes a pattern of behavior?
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You seem to be totally ignorant of the historical revisionist perspective on the subject.
How old are you?
 
Thunder said:
9+ million Jews in Europe in 1938.

3 or so million Jews in Europe in 1945.

explain that.

the fact is....millions of Jews have dissapeared. we know they didn't go to Israel, the USA, Russia.

and you guys have no idea how to explain it...other than "they didn't exist".

and yet, you have no evidence or proof of some sort of conspiracy to inflate Jewish population stats before the war......or to deflate them after the war.

ALL reason and logic leads to one very simple conclusion: 2/3rds of the Jews of Europe were murdered in gas chambers, by firing squads, and by disease & starvation.
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Explain where you get the nine million. Was it some grand European census?
 
Meadmaker said:
There is much truth to this and it makes an important point. The crimes of the Nazis were many, varied, and hard to distill into a simple, concise, statement. In trying to do so, we may misunderstand the nature of the regime.

I think what happened for me, and I assume for millions of others, is that we started learning about the Holocaust during childhood, when simple explanations were all we could understand. As ten year olds we can understand, "Hitler was an evil man who hated the Jews and killed millions of them in his concentration camps. We call it 'The Holocaust'." (And, as an aside, we didn't use that word when I was growing up.)

Most people never learn much about history, and so never go beyond the ten year old version of the story. The reality is far more complicated than that. Hitler hated lots of people, and he used brutality against all of his opponents, and he, or at least his lieutenants that carried out the exterminations, had all sorts of justifications for why exterminations and mass starvation were justified under the circumstances. Reading about the Nazi era later in life was somewhat disturbing for me, because I realized that it wasn't as bizarre as it seemed, and bad stuff like it could happen again.

Meanwhile, though, the deniers pick some apparent inconsistency between the grossly simplified version of events and reality, and reach the idiotic conclusion that none of it happened.
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Why are school children today subject to so much holocaust propaganda? What is the agenda?
 
Arisia said:
To me, the Holocaust covers more than just those killed specifically by gassing in the concentration camps. Does that make me unusual?
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anyone who was murdered by the Nazis, is a Holocaust victim.

anyone who starved to death under the control of the Nazis, is a Holocaust victim.

anyone who was worked or marched to death by the Nazis, is a Holocaust victim.

basically, if you were forced to be under the control of the Nazis, and you died by anything other than normal natural causes (cancer, heart disease, old-age, etc), you were a Holocaust victim.

now, if you were at a work camp and in decent shape, and died from an Allied bombing raid, are you still a Holocaust victim? I say yes, cause if not for the damn Nazis you wouldn't have been there!!!
 
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
The Rwandan Genocide killed 8,000 people per day using people going door-to-door mostly on foot and carrying machetes.
The Rwandan Genocide was the 1994 mass murder of an estimated 800,000 people. Over the course of approximately 100 days from the assassination of Juvénal Habyarimana on April 6 through mid-July, at least 800,000 people were killed, according to a Human Rights Watch estimate.[1] Other estimates of the death toll have ranged between 500,000 and 1,000,000 [2] (a commonly quoted figure is 800,000) or as much as 20% of the country's total population.
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Surely no proper aryan will allow his beloved Reich with it's mechanized efficiency and high-tech methods to be outdone by a bunch of "jungle bunnies" with knives, would he?
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Why not teach the Rwandan Genocide in school?

A different agenda?
 
Thunder said:
this was done with machetes and guns, by a rag-tag army.

the Nazis had millions of soldiers, and thousands of volunteers from occupied lands.

if the nutty 3rd world Rwandans can kill 800,000 people in 100 days, the Nazis could kill 5.1 million Jews in 6 years.
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If they did all of this, how could it have been keep so secret?
 
MaGZ said:
Explain where you get the nine million. Was it some grand European census?
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European countries generally don't need censuses, having a civic registry. And you can find the number in the papers that were discussed at the Wannsee conference.
 
Ignorantbystander said:
I don't know, you have a better suggestion? some place in the forest near a railway line maybe?


Ignorance of facts makes the holocaust indeed seem absurd, that's why deniers make a habit of ignoring facts.



Come on Saggy, you are a bit of a seasoned denier, who are you trying to fool that the main killing centre of Auschwitz-Birkenau was the gaschamber at Auschwitz I.
btw, the reconstruction of this gaschamber doesn't or couldn't serve the purpose to prove the holocaust happened (by your standards). So it's of no use to argue about the doors or other features of the reconstruction that you consider not adequate.
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So how many Jews did this one gas chamber supposedly kill?
What are the most recent estimates and have they been different in the past?
 
MaGZ said:
A better question is why does the census always claim to have six million Jews in America decade after decade? Are they afraid to reveal their real number here?
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Why has the population of Germany been 80 million for the last 2 decades? Are they afraid to reveal their real number? :rolleyes:
 
ddt said:
(Highlighting mine).

Okay, Saggy, is this also your claim?

Download the movie Gawdzilla linked to in the OP. Play it from 28:30. You'll see citizens of Weimar walking to Buchenwald, escorted by GIs. See how well-fed they are and well-clothed and healthy. So why did they have food and the camp inmates not? There was enough food in Germany, after all, to feed the rest of the population.

And why were those inmates in the camps anyhow? What had they done wrong?
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Why were German, Italian and Japanese civilians in American concentration camps? What have they done wrong?
 
MaGZ said:
Why not claim all the camps were extermination camps? Wasn’t this the original Holocaust Lie to begin with? Later the incredible shrinking Holocaust begins to get smaller and smaller.
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No it wasn't. Now, as you're posting so prolifically here, why don't you answer a couple of simple questions. Same holds for Saggy.

1. Have you seen the pictures and the movie Gawdzilla posted in the OP?

2. Why did the Nazis put these people - Jews, Roma & Sinti (gypsies), gays, Jehova witnesses, POWs, left-wingers, etc. - in camps like Buchenwald, Dachau, Mauthausen? What had they done to deserve that?

3. Why did the Nazis not give them sufficient food, healthcare etc.? There was food and medicine - ook at the Weimar people walking to Buchenwald, they were well-nourished and healty. What did the inmates do to deserve such maltreatment?

4. Why let the Nazis toil many of the inmates to exhaustion and death? What had they done to deserve that?

Simple questions, yet I never heard a satisfactory answer from Holocaust deniers.
 
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