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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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Saggy said:
Any investigation on the site would immediately reveal that Babi Yar is a hoax, so none are permitted. There are no bodies, there is no physical evidence whatever to support the hoax.

For a dissection of the Babi Yar lies, see ..

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndbabiyar.html

The Ukranians are finally waking up to the hoax ...

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html

For an quick overview and excerpts from the poem see 'Mass Graves at Vinnitsa, Poems for Babi Yar' at

http://www.holohoax101.com/201/
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Reliable,unbiased sites!
 
Saggy said:
Any investigation on the site would immediately reveal that Babi Yar is a hoax, so none are permitted. There are no bodies, there is no physical evidence whatever to support the hoax.
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Please note that neither the Einsatzgruppen Event Report that I quoted, nor my bolded question that you quoted, make any mention of Babyn Yar. You may assume, if you like, that Babyn Yar was not the site of any massacre. That still leaves open the question: Why did Einsatzgruppe 4a report the execution 33,771 Jews on 2 days in Kiev?


And of course, you have so far dodged the OP: How do you explain the photos and videos taken on the occasion of the liberation of Buchenwald? What had happened there, and why?
 
Thunder said:
Jewish infiltration of the Ukranians.

its well know that 1/4 and 1/2 Jews were very good at disguising themselves as Aryans.

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Huh? :confused:

Einsatzgruppe 4a was Germans. With a German writing the report to other Germans, who copied and relayed it to Berlin. No significant number of Ukrainians involved.
 
MagZ keeps dodging my question.Let's open it up.Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to why MagZ hates Jews?
 
Saggy said:
The largest labor camp by far was Auschwitz, supplying up to 70,000 laborers every day to Siemens, Krupp, Farben, and many other industries in the area. These industries were crucial to the Nazi war effort. See a photo of the Farben plant near Auschwitz here ... http://www.holohoax101.com/103/

Odd place to kill 10,000 Jews per day right? The holohoax is absurd on its face, it depends on total ignorance of the facts.

As for being equipped for efficient mass murder, have a look at the hoax gas chamber at Auschwitz here http://www.holohoax101.com/, built by the Soviets after the war ! Completely absurd.
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You are aware that there were multiple camps in the Auschwitz Complex, and it makes perfect sense to exterminate people there, due to the size of the place. Captured slave labour arrived at Auschwitz Birkenau, and those who could work got sent to Auschwitz III and other camps, those who couldn't, in the Nazi mind, needed disposing of. Hence they were sent to the gas chamber after a quick inspection.

Nothing about that is remotely odd.
 
dafydd said:
MagZ keeps dodging my question.Let's open it up.Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to why MagZ hates Jews?
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Fear.

Irrational, paranoid, and bigoted fear of the great, invented Zionist Conspiracy.

This kind of thing is usually best explained as a personality disorder in the DSM, though certain brands of homeschooling and Conservatism(TM) can bend people this way as well. As we can see here, not much thought is put into this position.
 
Gawdzilla said:
Still waiting for you to explain the OP to us.
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How about the OP offer an explanation?

These pictures seem to fit with the typhus epidemic that occurred. Certainly not gassings. It's possible that not all were actually intentional while it's also possible that some were.

Now I believe there are different views of deniers, but one thing that is consistent is the issue of whether gassings occurred. It's kind of central to this event if you look up what the holocaust means and these pictures do not seem to show that gassings occurred.
 
kageki said:
How about the OP offer an explanation?

These pictures seem to fit with the typhus epidemic that occurred. Certainly not gassings. It's possible that not all were actually intentional while it's also possible that some were.

Now I believe there are different views of deniers, but one thing that is consistent is the issue of whether gassings occurred. It's kind of central to this event if you look up what the holocaust means and these pictures do not seem to show that gassings occurred.
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I think the OP contains much of the explanation.

Gassing is not part of it. Strawman.

You try to sell as explanation the very thing that needs to be explained: Why were these people crammed into the camps and subjected to such lethal conditions in the first place, when the general population of nearby towns was not? Most inmates of Buchenwald were Germans: Political prisoners, invalids, humans with disabilities. Some were prisoners of war. Surely, Germans and POWs, if at all incarcerated, must be treated humanely. Why weren't they? Towards the end, Buchenwald also received a number of Jews from the east, who may have arrived in even worse shape. Why were jewish civilians summarily kept locked up in ghettos and concentration camps for years to a point where they could hardly survive or did in fact die? Explain that!
 
Oystein said:
I think the OP contains much of the explanation.

Gassing is not part of it. Strawman.

You try to sell as explanation the very thing that needs to be explained: Why were these people crammed into the camps and subjected to such lethal conditions in the first place, when the general population of nearby towns was not? Most inmates of Buchenwald were Germans: Political prisoners, invalids, humans with disabilities. Some were prisoners of war. Surely, Germans and POWs, if at all incarcerated, must be treated humanely. Why weren't they? Towards the end, Buchenwald also received a number of Jews from the east, who may have arrived in even worse shape. Why were jewish civilians summarily kept locked up in ghettos and concentration camps for years to a point where they could hardly survive or did in fact die? Explain that!
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Why MagZ,why?
 
kageki said:
How about the OP offer an explanation?

These pictures seem to fit with the typhus epidemic that occurred. Certainly not gassings. It's possible that not all were actually intentional while it's also possible that some were.

Now I believe there are different views of deniers, but one thing that is consistent is the issue of whether gassings occurred. It's kind of central to this event if you look up what the holocaust means and these pictures do not seem to show that gassings occurred.
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1. If they weren't housed in such horrid conditions, the epidemic would probably have not occurred. So the Nazi are to blame for the deaths regardless. Neglect of prisoners is a crime in civilized countries. In Nazi Germany it was government policy.

2. The OP doesn't have any material on gassing. It addresses a pattern of behaviour that needs to be addressed. The deniers are striving to diminish the scale of the Holocaust by niggling every point they can distort or outright lie about. We should not allow that to be the course of the debate, they should not dictate what we talk about in regard to this event. If we allow them to control the discussion humanity will have lost this battle.
 
kageki said:
How about the OP offer an explanation?

These pictures seem to fit with the typhus epidemic that occurred. Certainly not gassings. It's possible that not all were actually intentional while it's also possible that some were.

Now I believe there are different views of deniers, but one thing that is consistent is the issue of whether gassings occurred. It's kind of central to this event if you look up what the holocaust means and these pictures do not seem to show that gassings occurred.
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I don't care how the blood got on the Nazi's hands (gassing, working to death, not curing curable diseases, starvation, etc.) myself, why did the Third Reich have in place the policy of rounding up those who weren't Aryan enough and putting them in the crowded, inhumane conditions of the concentration camps? The truth of the Holocaust isn't dependent on just one particular method of killing the Third Reich's victims.
 
Arisia said:
I don't care how the blood got on the Nazi's hands (gassing, working to death, not curing curable diseases, starvation, etc.) myself, why did the Third Reich have in place the policy of rounding up those who weren't Aryan enough and putting them in the crowded, inhumane conditions of the concentration camps? The truth of the Holocaust isn't dependent on just one particular method of killing the Third Reich's victims.
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Gassing was just a part of it.Why didn't the Turd Reich just leave everyone in peace,MagZ?
 
They have a saying here in Flanders,if someone has no answer to a question they say,het in Keulen horen donderen,you can hear it thundering in Cologne.Very appropriate when applied to Magz's silence on why the Nazis rounded up people in the first place.
 
Arisia said:
I don't care how the blood got on the Nazi's hands (gassing, working to death, not curing curable diseases, starvation, etc.) myself, why did the Third Reich have in place the policy of rounding up those who weren't Aryan enough and putting them in the crowded, inhumane conditions of the concentration camps? The truth of the Holocaust isn't dependent on just one particular method of killing the Third Reich's victims.
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Off course none of you care about the method, but that is a central issue of the Holocaust that simply cannot be sidestepped.

Why is because Hitler and in fact many other people believed that Bolshevism was primarily of Jewish origin and so it would be natural to consider them enemies of the state much like how japanese-americans were rounded up into crowded, inhumane concentration camps in the US. It's undeniable that the Nazis "hated" Jews for these reasons, but it's also true they supported Zionism which was a movement to establish a homeland for the Jews. Therefore I believe the truth is in the middle. They did most likely go after Jews, but also wanted to just get rid of them... from their country (and not necessarily exterminate them all).

Anyways, I am still inclined to believe that gassings (or burning Jews) did not occur. To clarify, I'm talking gas chambers and not just some diesel trucks.

These pictures also do not prove that all deaths were intentional either no matter how hard you try to insinuate.
 
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