Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Skeptical Greg]

William Parcher wrote:


I agree with that....it's actually both the eyewitness accounts, and the people who believe in them, or put some degree of credibility in, that keeps the "myth"/interest in Bigfoot going.....nice and strong.

I've noticed the Bigfoot threads on this board are nice and FAT.

Amazing, and hard to understand....considering how there's actually NO evidence for this creature's existence! (according to the skeptics on this forum.)

Once again the obvious has sailed right over your head, and/or you have forgotten which forum you are on..

Hint: The title of this forum is not : " Unsolved Mysteries "

 

[SweatyYeti]

Thanks for the helpful post, Greg!

 

[SweatyYeti]

Back on Dec.1 Correa posted some pictures of gorilla suits...and wrote:

I suspect in similar conditions (short duration, long distance, shaky, low definition, etc.) some of those costumes would look much better than Patty.

Dream on, Correa....

First pic...it's arm proportion is way out of whack....

Second pic....the back of the leg has absolutely NO body contour....

Third pic....again, the arm is way out of proportion...

Fourth pic....the suit, like pretty much all of them do....suffers from Shag-itis....and as a result has jagged outlines...

Ahhhh......pretty Patty.......beautifully correct body contour, without all the shaggy edges...

But don't let these little details stop you from pretending, Correa. I bet if you fuzzed the pictures up a little bit, they'd look much more realistic than Patty does!!

 

[LTC8K6]

We knew we were close...

We began packing in preparation to leave the area.

 

[manofthesea]

Feel free to ignore the above reply if your intention was just to spew an insult. Just in case, please allow me to remind you that insults can not masquerade the absence of reliable evidence and sound arguments at a debate. On the contrary, they are nothing but a sign of despair, the last resource of a defeated debate participant. Or one of the prime resources of a zealot.

Try looking in the mirror and retyping the above.

I'm not interested in South American myths.

My tribe doesn't have bigfoot, we had eskimos.

 

[manofthesea]

Remedial Mythological Understanding

Remember what we learned as children?
Many ancient cultures attributed paranormal behaviors to existing animals in their celebrations.
Such as, when certain tribes wear a wolf mask and perform a dance or ritual, it doesn't mean that an actual wolf got on two feet and commenced to dance around like a bird.
Or when the myth of the white buffalo was told to outsiders, certain paranormal attributes were assigned to the buffalo, representing both an actual creature and an event. The point is, the white buffalo existed.
Same with stories of a large white whale. It was assigned evil in the current time period.
Same with bigfoot. It may be assigned certain powers and attributes in ceremonies, but that doesn't mean that it dances around like a bird, has esp, or whatever superpower you may wish to give it.

 

[kitakaze]

Ever heard of Kathy Strain (AKA Hairy Man)?
She's a regular at BFF. IIRC she's writing a book on the many Native American myths that were incorporated in to current bigfoot lore. Try using the search function at JREF (she posted here for a while) or at BFF. You'll find plenty of mythical creatures that may be correlated with bigfoot.

Hey, yeah. Wonder if that's out yet...

I've been very busy finishing my book on traditional NA bigfoot stories. Now that I'm done, I can read something I chose to read vs. have to read!

No, it's just now gone to the publisher, and I'm sure we're going to be adding additional detail (like maps). So hopefully, it will be available this summer, at the latest. It is, of course, more of a anthropologic study than a book about bigfoot (ie., there are no sighting reports, hair, prints, poop, or otherwise).

 

[kitakaze]

I'm not interested in South American myths.

My tribe doesn't have bigfoot, we had eskimos.

Why aren't you interested in South American myths?

What does your reference to Inuit mean?

Here's a list Kathy put forward upon a request for bigfoot type beings in eastern Native American traditions:

I'm assuming when you say east of the Mississippi that you are including the headwaters as well, so here is a list for your use. The list is not all there is, just what picked out quickly from a list of several hundred:

Tribe - Traditional Name - Translation

Alabama-Coushatta - Eeyachuba - Wild man
Algonkian - Yeahoh- Wild man
Caddo - Ha'yacatsi - Lost giants
Cherokee - Kecleh-Kudleh - Hairy savage
Cherokee - Nun’ Yunu’ Wi - Stone man
Chickasaw - Lofa - Smelly, hairy being that could speak
Chippewa - Djeneta` - Giant
Choctaw - Kashehotapalo - Cannibal man
Choctaw - Nalusa Falaya - Big giant
Choctaw - Shampe - Giant monster
Comanche - Mu pitz - Cannibal monster
Comanche - Piamupits - Cannibal monster
Creeks - Honka - Hairy man
Iroquois - Ot ne yar heh - Stonish giant
Iroquois - Tarhuhyiawahku - Giant monster
Iroquois/Seneca - Ge no sqwa - Stone giants
Menomini - Manabai'wok - The Giants
Micmac - Chenoo - Devil cannibal
Mosopelea - Yeahoh - Monster
Ojibwa - Manito - Wild man
Seminole - Esti capcaki -Tall man
Seminole - Ssti capcaki - Tall hairy man
Seneca - Ge no'sgwa - Stone giants
​

Let's not forget that if one wants to get semantic about the word 'myth' then one should be mindful of its varied uses. Such as:

A myth in popular use is something that is widely thought to be false. This usage, which is often pejorative, arose from labeling the religious myths and beliefs of other cultures as being incorrect, but it has spread to cover non-religious beliefs as well. Because of this usage, many people take offense when the religious narratives they believe to be true are called myths (see Religion and mythology for more information). This usage is frequently confused with fiction, legend, fairy tale, folklore, fable, and urban legend, each of which has a distinct meaning in academia.

Urban myth is an alternate (not academic) term for urban legend

Myth is derived from the Greek word mythos, which means "story."

 

[Dancing David]

Is that where they study invisiblefoot?

(doesn't really look like a Canadian telephone station)

Could be many things, round here we have what is called the 'giraffe pen', turns out it was a law frequency transmitter and reciever used in WWII to communicate with subs.

 

[kitakaze]

Oh boy, look out. Sweaty's drawing on pictures again. Sweaty, can you draw on these ones too?

Shag-itis:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sherseydc/1143822058/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/-jon-/111128277/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/theeclecticartisan/751555592/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ytse-jam/539953423/

Whacked-out arm proportions:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/labimposter/419961355/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kirtonmrandrew/471835259/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/floridapfe/460785848/

Now for the last one, you're gonna need to throw us a bone, Sweat. I'm not quite sure what this is supposed to mean:

...beautifully correct body contour, without all the shaggy edges

Care to explain?

 

[Dancing David]

Possible Explainations for the PG creature, in order of simplicity
1. Creature has never set foot in a UFO, not accepted by scientists because society is living in denial of their existence, and has escaped capture by remaining hidden in the higher dimensions and alternate lifeforms.
liklihood= an almost absolute certainty
2. Creature was real and dropped off by a UFO, and remains at large to this day.
liklihood=possible
3. Creature was real and an escaped circus Gorilla specially trained to walk for extended periods on two feet, and has eluded all attempts to recapture.
liklihood = possible but not likely
4. Some semi-illiterate 5'-10" cowboy, who flunked out of high school, was conned into wearing a hairy suit that was so cutting edge that it's authenticity has still not been duplicated 40 years later, and said suit was for a 7'-3" tall person and contained heretofore as yet undocumented hairy breasts and sagital crest, an accurate hair weave, butt crack requiring the wearer to be butt naked and feet that were much larger than the wearer.
liklihood=no way jose, not a chance, in your dreams, someone has been smoking something illegal.

Cost of computer and monitor: $450

Cost of dial up: $11/ month


Reading such first class woo: priceless



(or parody of woo)

 

[Dancing David]

In southern Illinois the Man of the Forest is called MoMo.

But hey the Wild man, the Green Man have been with us a while.

 

[kitakaze]

(or parody of woo)

Real woo.

 

[manofthesea]

Why aren't you interested in South American myths?

What does your reference to Inuit mean?

Here's a list Kathy put forward upon a request for bigfoot type beings in eastern Native American traditions:

Let's not forget that if one wants to get semantic about the word 'myth' then one should be mindful of its varied uses. Such as:

Are you interested in South American myths? If so, I've seen no mention of any.

Eskimos were the critters that conducted illegal hunts on my tribe's territory. Their acceptance into h. sapien should be questioned.

The term myth was used in conjunction with native american, which denotes legend or story of ancient times. Like europeans had myths, of unicorns, dragons, heroes, etc. Native american myths are associated with creation stories mostly. Not sightings, or somebody's uncle saw something.

Are you infatuated with Kathy Strain? Feeling a little need for acceptance?

 

[manofthesea]

Could be many things, round here we have what is called the 'giraffe pen', turns out it was a law frequency transmitter and reciever used in WWII to communicate with subs.

You mean, like I said in the title? By the way, that is such a small setup. Search for Hawaii commsta, and see a real array.

 

[Geno]

Yeah, it's potentially damaging but not at the exclusion of everything else that is potentially damaging. Krantz said Roger told him that he made fake tracks, cast them and filmed it only days before encountering Patty. That means he did this 'fake trackway casting scene' at Bluff Creek. Is that what we are seeing in what is known as the 2nd Reel? Is that potentially damaging?

I just obtained a tape of the 1996 Harrison Hot Springs BF conference in which Rene Dahinden did a hatchet job on Grover Krantz's book. During Dahinden's speech he said that Patterson ackowledged making tracks and casting them for his documentary. He said Patterson did this to explain how he casted prints and it was months before he took the famous film and it was not in Bluff Creek. This is most likely the film and explains Roger's lack of beard growth compared to the pictures of him holding the casts.

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

I just obtained a tape of the 1996 Harrison Hot Springs BF conference in which Rene Dahinden did a hatchet job on Grover Krantz's book. During Dahinden's speech he said that Patterson ackowledged making tracks and casting them for his documentary. He said Patterson did this to explain how he casted prints and it was months before he took the famous film and it was not in Bluff Creek. This is most likely the film and explains Roger's lack of beard growth compared to the pictures of him holding the casts.

As Diogenes once noted, the casts in those pictures match up with the "perfectfoot" seen in the P/G film...

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

Native american myths are associated with creation stories mostly. Not sightings, or somebody's uncle saw something.

The Abenaki (aka Wabanaki) tribe would beg to differ on that statement.

Many ancient cultures attributed paranormal behaviors to existing animals in their celebrations.

Yeah, and they completely made up some creatures as well. The murals that inspired the "Piasa Bird" story are an excellent example of this.

 

[Hairy Man]

Hey, yeah. Wonder if that's out yet...

No really, it's coming out!! We've just been delayed due to the amount of historic photos and their color bleeding into the text. It should be out this spring.

Just for the record too, after reading a bit (and knowing full well it will result in some sort of torture from him), anything that historian (aka Neal) says, I believe the exact opposite. In fact, I'd rather not believe in bigfoot than believe anything that he does.

 

[manofthesea]

I didn't mean to offend, with the eskimo remarks. (I admire their lifestyle) It was phrased that way because most statements are shockingly presented. I believe it is legitimate question in the sense that they have a) sagittal crest b) shoulder width c) body type of h. neanderthalensis.
I still call myself indian as opposed to native alaskan, and consider eskimo a nonoffensive term for inuit (or whatever).
I'll now defer.