Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Mobyseven]

I'm overjoyed at your answer, though...I must say!
I can't believe you actually said you don't see any difference in the realism of the 2 legs. But I'll take it....it'll come in handy for future use!!

Um...this is the part where you point out the difference in realism between the two legs to us, and awe us into stunned belief.

Gee, since the NSA is apparently quite willing to employ at least 6 internet propaganda artists on JREF alone, to the tune of $70,000 per year plus benefits, each, it would be well within both their budget and their mandate to pay Morris, and/or Heironious WHATEVER THEY WANT.

Holy bejeezus! How do I get that job???

 

[William Parcher]

Besides the money paid me by the NSA (as bundled cash at a drop spot), last 4th of July they gave me a silver-plated Glock. No explanation was given and it was just in there with the cash. It doesn't have a serial number and as far as I can tell it was never stamped with one. Weird... but it is cool looking.

 

[manofthesea]

Mira!

There are myths about unicorns...
There are myths about bigfeet...

Same type of evidence.

*awaits the usual "not many recent unicorn sighting reports" line*

Why don't you tell us one of your bigfoot myths? Not a sighting report, but a MYTH. You can just ignore this request if your statement was just a bunch of BS.

 

[manofthesea]

Sorry, you are already a part-time HAARP player. Unless your wife already has a NSA function (full-time or partial), she may qualify.

Try another organization, such as NWO or the Illuminati.

If you really want to make a difference, try the Bloods or MS13.
Unless of course, you insist on invisibility (and nonexistence), stick with nwo or illuminati.

Then again, if you change your chant just a bit, from:
THERE IS NO BIGFOOT to THERE IS NO GOD BUT GOD
Keep the attitude, and you will all make fine muslim fundamentalists.

 

[drapier]

Gee, since the NSA is apparently quite willing to employ at least 6 internet propaganda artists on JREF alone, to the tune of $70,000 per year plus benefits, each, it would be well within both their budget and their mandate to pay Morris, and/or Heironious WHATEVER THEY WANT.

I know that Kitakaze and Corea Neto are NSA supermoles, but who are the others?

Despite what others have said, I don't think $70,000 per year is that much, what with all the black ops, transdimensional bigfoot containment fields, and such.

 

[manofthesea]

I know that Kitakaze and Corea Neto are NSA supermoles, but who are the others?

Despite what others have said, I don't think $70,000 per year is that much, what with all the black ops, transdimensional bigfoot containment fields, and such.

But if you live in a supersqualoropolis like San Pablo you could be like a king, or a chavez.(

(My son had a friend who's father worked for American intelligence, and they lived in Sao Paolo. Western Africa would have been much more pleasant.)

 

[LTC8K6]

It would be cheaper for the NSA to make a suit patterned after Patty and plant it somewhere if they wished to discredit the PGF and bigfoot. I'd age it and distress it and then bury it near the PGF site, and have some hunter "discover" it.

Even a reasonable facsimile would work perfectly. After 40 years buried in a garbage bag, no one would expect the suit to look very good. Just the fact that a suit was found buried there would do the trick. A couple of mostly rotten wooden feet found under the bag, would be a beautiful touch.

Of course, since I work for the government, the above is just disinformation designed to confuse you.

 

[historian]

BTW, the first thing in getting a good handle on Sweaty's games is comparing what he does respond to to what he doesn't.

Now this is a good revealing statement here, on who here is a Professional blog poster, and who here is a mere Amateur. And you all thought that this was merely innocent jousting.

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

Those videos and pictures will be very useful in the future!

I certainly hope you won't do anything intellectually dishonest, like try comparing the sizes of the two leg "muscles" as if the Creepy Canada suit was an attempt to duplicate Patty (which it certainly was not).

In this picture, notice how vertical the forehead is...even though Gorillas have an extremely sloped forehead....

All that means that whoever made the mask made creative changes. Besides, it's not like all gorilla masks (or suits) are the same; a simple Google image search can prove that.

 

[RayG]

I know that Kitakaze and Corea Neto are NSA supermoles, but who are the others?

If you don't recognize this*:

you're probably not a NSA operative.

If you don't recognize my avatar you're probably not a NSA operative.

If you don't recognize the initials GCHQ, CSE, or DSD, you're probably not a NSA operative.

If you can't tell the difference between a KW-26 and a boombox, you're probably not a NSA operative.

Know whut I mean Vern?

RayG

*NOTE: This is not a bigfoot entrapment station or holding pen

 

[manofthesea]

WWII commsta

If you don't recognize this:

[qimg]http://jproc.ca/rrp/masset_frd10.jpg[/qimg]

you're probably not a supermole.

RayG

Is that where they study invisiblefoot?

(doesn't really look like a Canadian telephone station)

 

[RayG]

That's no telephone station. NSA operatives know exactly what it is.

RayG

 

[manofthesea]

Forgot the Most Important One

If you don't recognize this*:

[qimg]http://jproc.ca/rrp/masset_frd10.jpg[/qimg]

you're probably not a NSA operative.

If you don't recognize my avatar you're probably not a NSA operative.

If you don't recognize the initials GCHQ, CSE, or DSD, you're probably not a NSA operative.

If you can't tell the difference between a KW-26 and a boombox, you're probably not a NSA operative.

Know whut I mean Vern?

RayG

*NOTE: This is not a bigfoot entrapment station or holding pen

If you can tell who perpetrated the anthrax attacks...

 

[RayG]

What do anthrax attacks have to do with the NSA? (or are you merely making an uninformed stab in the dark?)

RayG

 

[Correa Neto]

Why don't you tell us one of your bigfoot myths? Not a sighting report, but a MYTH. You can just ignore this request if your statement was just a bunch of BS.

Please allow me to provide some directions that may help you to educate yourself.

Ever heard of Kathy Strain (AKA Hairy Man)?
She's a regular at BFF. IIRC she's writing a book on the many Native American myths that were incorporated in to current bigfoot lore. Try using the search function at JREF (she posted here for a while) or at BFF. You'll find plenty of mythical creatures that may be correlated with bigfoot.

Even tough you already asked (and received an answer) about South American myths that are interpreted by cryptozoologists as bigfoot-like creatures, I will suggest performing a search at JREF forum with the word "mapinguari" (mapinguary, as you can find at some sites, is an old spelling).

Feel free to ignore the above reply if your intention was just to spew an insult. Just in case, please allow me to remind you that insults can not masquerade the absence of reliable evidence and sound arguments at a debate. On the contrary, they are nothing but a sign of despair, the last resource of a defeated debate participant. Or one of the prime resources of a zealot.

 

[SweatyYeti]

An interesting piece of (anedoctal) information:

Originally Posted by Yetifan @ BFF
I talked to Morris on the phone just after Long's book came out and he told me, in no uncertain terms, that in '67 a man with the last name
of Patterson from Yakima, WA called him not once but twice concerning how to make a basic gorilla costume, which he had purchased from Morris, look
even more realistic because he was going to play a "joke" on someone.

Linkie:
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=21209&pid=428345&st=0&#entry428345

This alone (assuming the statement is real) would be enough to suspect of PGF's authenticity. Add this to the fact that every single aspect (even the dubious ones) of the creature shown at PGF can be reproduced using a costume.

Enter contradiction.......

And the descriptions of the suit by the two key witnesses are totally contradictory.
Morris is quoted as having described his suit in precise detail, and how he made it. The suit had six separate pieces: a head a body (arms, torso and legs), two hands and two feet. A knitted cloth material served as a backing to thousands of synthetic nylon strands called dynel, which were driven by a powerful knitting machine with needles through the knitted cloth material and then pulled back through to the other side. It had a 36-inch zipper up the back.
Bob Heironimus is also quoted, saying that Patterson made the suit himself by skinning a dead horse and gluing fur from an old fur coat on the horsehide. It was in three parts, head, torso and legs that felt like bigger rubber boots and that went to his waist. He thought the feet were made of old house slippers. The suit weighted 20 or 25 pounds and he needed help to get in and out of it. It also smelled bad. "It stunk. Roger skinned out a dead horse."

Linkie-poo:

http://home.clara.net/rfthomas/papers/thoughts.html


The result....

Every word of Bob Heironimus' testimony is suspect......and is ONLY believed by skeptics who prefer to give credibility to any explanation other than the simplest one (that Bigfoot exists), to explain away any and all Bigfoot evidence.

 

[kitakaze]

I'm overjoyed at your answer, though...I must say!
I can't believe you actually said you don't see any difference in the realism of the 2 legs. But I'll take it....it'll come in handy for future use!!

Um...this is the part where you point out the difference in realism between the two legs to us, and awe us into stunned belief.

I've already told Sweaty that I'm happy he's amused and asked him to explain why but as we can all see he seems to be avoiding such an explanation. For someone who likes to lecture skeptics about debate, he doesn't seem to have any idea how one is conducted.

Sweaty 101- Pompously mock evil skeptics at any chance you think you have. Any point where you know you're wrong, dodge and keep mocking.

 

[Drewbot]

If you don't recognize this*:

[qimg]http://jproc.ca/rrp/masset_frd10.jpg[/qimg]

you're probably not a NSA operative.

If you don't recognize my avatar you're probably not a NSA operative.

If you don't recognize the initials GCHQ, CSE, or DSD, you're probably not a NSA operative.

If you can't tell the difference between a KW-26 and a boombox, you're probably not a NSA operative.

Know whut I mean Vern?

RayG

*NOTE: This is not a bigfoot entrapment station or holding pen

Doesn't look like any of the listening posts I've been stationed at. What is that?

But, I think you will stump some people with throwing an ACRONYM for Defence instead of Defense out there.

Plus in the NSA, we knew years ago, that keeping interdimensional prisoners underground, is a dangerous undertaking, they try phasing in and out undergound and you end up with dimensional portals in places where you have no control over what's coming through. At least in the above ground facilities we could access the portals and process them for decommissioning.

 

[William Parcher]

Every word of Bob Heironimus' testimony is suspect......and is ONLY believed by skeptics who prefer to give credibility to any explanation other than the simplest one (that Bigfoot exists), to explain away any and all Bigfoot evidence.

Critical thinkers and rational people look at the reality (no Bigfoot specimen has ever been produced) and give credibility to the simplest explanation. Bigfoot does not exist. It requires explaining why we have all of this secondary evidence and eyewitness claims. It fits the profile of a myth or legend with participation from all kinds of people. The myth is maintained and promoted by those who willfully proclaim their belief. It is people like you that keep the myth alive. As more decades pass without a Bigfoot, the skeptical position will look stronger.

The skinned red horse story has little bearing on whether BH wore the suit or not. You've had the opportunity to read explanations of the context of that story. Roger told Howard Heironimus (Bob's brother) that he made the suit out of the skin of a dead red horse. Howard told it to Bob. Bob told it to Greg Long. Every single one of those guys can see that Patty was black. We can see that too. Maybe Roger simply lied to Howard, and he passed along the lie to Bob. Maybe Roger made a different suit out of red horsehide. We don't know and in a way it doesn't really matter.

 

[Drewbot]

The thing is, Sweaty and the woo's think Bigfoot is the simplest explanation, to the PGF, therefore it must be true.

Where I feel that an Unclassified, Hairy, Large, Bipedal, Primate, with Broken Wing Defense Mechanisms, and an Uncanny Ability to Walk perpendicular to a Threat, and Dyslexic flight instinct (runs when in cover, walks when in the open), with, wrist bands, lines on it's thighs, hairy boobs, chalk white feet, and a Mid-Tarsal Break, is the least likely possibility I can possibly think of. Occams Razor in no way applies in supporting the PGF as being a real Beast.