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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Yeah, somebody should make up a list of bigfoot myths that keep popping up in this thread. That way when somebody starts talking about the gait can not be duplicated, everyone can respond "see answer to bigfoot myth #1" where this video clip/experiment is described with the appropriate link. That would save a lot of time and commentary IMO.
 
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This brings up an interesting point. Exactly why should Bigfooters give up their belief no matter how misguided or irrational? Assuming lightning did somehow strike the minds of every footer at once and all of a sudden there was no more belief in Bigfoot. Would that change the human condition in any meaningful way? Is there the possibility that there is an untapped genius among the ranks of the Bigfooters whose genius is being being laid to waist by Footery? Are there vast fortunes of treasure, mind, science and soul being funneled away from human betterment because of Footery?

For decades I labored under the misconception that somehow if an absoloute truth could be put in universal terms that the human condition would somehow blossom into the "potential" that the poets dream. It dawned on me one day that none of it mattered worth a fig. The Greek gods came and went, the Renaissance came and went, the so called son of god came and went, the war to end all wars came and went, the New Deal, The Fair Deal, JFK, LBJ, the moonshot, the transistor, the bloody internet put that in it too. And guess what? None of it has had a lasting or much of a material effect on the better angels of the human species. None of it! Not one molecule rubbed off!

So a couple of thousand middle aged folks need to change their belief system? For what? What is there to believe in? All of the great beliefs have been put on the table and none of it has mattered. But I'll tell you what. I'll throw in a little wisdom I picked up somewhere under a hot sun and parched landscape. The only thing that's worth having a belief in is the knowledge that we are beings on our way to our own deaths. Stack that up against Bigfoot belief or any of the other tripe we waste our beliefs in and see if it holds a serious candle to the the last lights out.
I can perfectly understand your points, crow. But I feel a comment could be made.

First lets not to mix apples with oranges. One thing is an individual tendering a belief – this boils down to individual rights and choices. Want to spend money buying bigfoot books, bigfoot videos, cameras to capture bigfoot images, etc.? Want to spend days hunting for bigfoot among the woods? OK. It’s your hobby, it’s not my problem or anyone else’s (#1). It is the very same thing as collecting Star Wars or Star Trek memorabilia. Some might consider silly, but so what? Note that discussing pseudoscience may also be a hobby. And don’t even dare mentioning my Klingon cruiser plastic model kit.

How the individual communicates this belief to the society, the influence of this belief with his/hers relationships within the society are completely different things. It is true that no substantial resources are being diverted from good science towards bigfootery (at least this seems to be the case). However, some footers quite often (willing or not) spread misinformations and half truths. This is what skeptics are fighting. No one is fighting someone’s right to believe in bigfoot. It’s the spreading of lies, of half-truths, of misinformation which is being fought. Make no mistake, misinformation spreading can be potentially harmful. No big motivation to change the world. Just setting a couple of things straight.



#1- Unless you are using the money supposed to buy your toddler’s milk or will need to be rescued…
 

That was no answer. I asked if you'd seen it and got a dismissal of sources. And then you asked me a question you would have known the answer to if you'd actually seen it.
The calls- Not confirmed as being from bigfeet, other options not

But not matching known animals (or sirens) and appearing to be primate (human not excepted).
The film- Suspected of being a hoax, too blurry.

It was digitalized from John Green's copy. The government's suspected of blowing up the world Trade Center and the CIA's suspected of killing JFK and NASA's suspected of faking the moon landing. So what?
The casts- Suspected of being hoaxes and misidentifications

And a forensic fingerprint expert who is the only expert on ape fingerprints showed some pretty good reasons why they're not. (No "dessication ridges" in mud, BTW. I got clarification from him on some of that, BTW.)

See above.
Lots of things regarding PGF are anecdotal- all we have are actually anecdotes. Patterson and Gimlim claim the film is from a female bigfoot; they and other people claim that the footprints were made by the film subject; Hieronimus claims to be the guy in the suit and Morris claims he was involved on making it. None of the above individuals managed to back the claims propperly. Anecdote.

None of that was in LMS.

The "hoaxers would not replicate hernia" stuff?
Not sure if it was from the book or video.
Would you be surprised to know I was not impressed?
Would you be surprised to know that this is because I doubt PGF has enough definition to support such level of detail analysis (hernias, moving toes/fingers, facial expressions, braids, poops, bullet wounds, etc. are a no-go)?

I have the DVD, the video and the book if you want me to check anything out for you. Dr. Nelson pointed out that biomechanics was in its infancy in 1967.

MK Davis wasn't in LMS either.
 
No. It isn't.

I didn't mean just ash; I didn't make that clear. I've read (somewhere other than on the Internet) Harry Truman was buried under 200' of mud and ash. I couldn't find that but I did find this:

"From: Tilling, Topinka, and Swanson, 1990, Eruptions of Mount St. Helens: Past, Present, and Future: USGS General Interest Publication.

... Part of the avalanche ( May 18, 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens) surged into and across Spirit Lake, but most of it flowed westward into the upper reaches of the North Fork of the Toutle River. At one location, about 4 miles north of the summit, the advancing front of the avalanche still had sufficient momentum to flow over a ridge more than 1,150 feet high. The resulting hummocky avalanche deposit consisted of intermixed volcanic debris, glacial ice, and, possibly, water displaced from Spirit Lake. ... The dumping of avalanche debris into Spirit Lake raised its bottom by about 295 feet and its water level by about 200 feet. ..."

Rick Noll noted in his presentation at the Willow Creek Symposium 2003 an area may have reported activity, then nothing for 10 years, then reported activity again. He didn't know why.
 
Rick Noll noted in his presentation at the Willow Creek Symposium 2003 an area may have reported activity, then nothing for 10 years, then reported activity again. He didn't know why.

LSD supply might be worth looking at. The standard and strength of batches varies over the years. Similar with Moonshine, depends who's making it at the time.
 
Another interesting thing to do would be to stop playing the victim role, since many a footer quite often abuse the freedom of speech that exists here.

There weren't any when I came in. I was here alone for about nine months and at no time did I denigrate, mock, swear or abuse the freedom of speech. I did use the term "scoftic" at one point (but not directed at anyone in particular) borrowed from Roger Knights because it seemed appropriate. When Huntster joined he was greeted with, "Oh good, another wacko." I can't imagine Roger Knights, or Kathy Strain or Henry May abusing the freedom of speech here. "Many a footer"? You mean Sweaty and carcharodon? That's two They're more than outnumbered.

Did you read this?

"Let's cool off the discussion a little please. Remember the MA, and do not resort to attacking each other. Let's keep it civil, and on topic, and also let's not start off topic arguments about other boards.

All posts after this point need to be civil, and on the topic of Bigfoot - nothing else.

Posted By:chillzero"

I'm not a bigfoot. You can't talk about me.
 
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I'm just gonna hop in here for 2 minutes and say that I did my own Bigfoot search a few years back. I lived near a huge forest and me and some friends decided to go look for it. We went prepared, carrying baseball bats, a tape recorder and video camera. We went deep into the middle somewhere on a trail, and sat down. We then took the tape recorder and played a bigfoot sound (which we found on the internet) as loud as it could. Waited.....waited......

We heard some sounds returning, enough to scare the crap out of us, and we got up and ran away. The video tape showed nothing visual or audio, and so we concluded that we were pansies and probably ran away from a raccoon. But that didn't stop us from going to school with the bigfoot sound on the recorder, and telling everybody that we recorded bigfoot in a forest.

What happened next? Well we got people to actually believe (and try to make other people believe) that we were authentic. Teachers knew about it, other students. It was great.

Moral of the story. Bigfoot seems to be more of a legend that's passed down to people, and people will believe it whether or not they've had any experience with it. It's quite possible that an animal exists that's been called bigfoot, that hasn't been documented. I'd put my money on that option, instead of sound bytes and videos.

And the last conclusion that I heard a comedian say about Bigfoot is that, Bigfoot must be blurry. The videos are fine, the animal is just blurry.
 
Hi everyone.
I know this will disappoint some of you, but this thread has grown too large and unweildy for the forum database. In the interests of good housekeeping, I am closing it, and I have moved some posts to a new thread here (I tried to copy them, but that failed):
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124690
to discuss the 'walk'. That seemed to be the main line of discussion on the final page.

I would like to advise that instead of dedicating yourselves to one monster thread, you start new threads when you want to discuss a different aspect of anything Bigfoot related. For example, this new one is about whether the walk can be replicated. There was a post on the final page that that member is free to use for another new thread to discuss Bigfoot mythology and how that makes hoaxes easier (Toblerowned's post 16430). And so on. You are all free to make a copy of a post you put here as a new thread starter, but please double-check first that the specific topic you wish to cover is not already under discussion.

Some people have suggested a new subforum solely for Bigfoot discussions. We are open to reviewing that should we find this section completely flooded with Bigfoot related threads over a long term period.

So, I apologise for any inconvenience, but I'm sure you will agree this is preferable to killing the forum.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
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