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Will The GOP Pick up Ted Kennedy's Seat?

Magyar said:
Well, I just had a acouple come to my door. UNFORTUNATELY I didn't have my cell phone handy to hit the record

But I was informed in no uncertain terms that a vote for Coakley will insure my soul in hell.

I tried to get them to stay but -apparently they are making the rounds in my neighborhood with a bus full of people and they were being summoned to go.
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Hmmmm....Hell insurance. You might be on to something.:p

Thanks for the 1st person account. I can't say that I'm suprised.
 
applecorped said:
Why? Are you voting for Martha?:p
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I'm a New Yorker. Despite that I think they would both compete fairly well in an idiot race. Coakley for her bad handling of some issues. Brown for basically admitting that he is an idiot about the constitution.
Why?
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Because I missed a rant from a supporter basically saying that my university I go to was a place that brainwashed people into becoming socialists. As I told my mother. Its the type of thing that you can't possibly think people believe but then you go and see it and you realize that people do think that. It sounds so stupid without the video :(.
 
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technoextreme said:
For ****s sake. I'm a ****ing idiot who doesn't know how to hit a ****ing button. I missed the part where I was called a brainwashed socialist by proxy. And yes by and large I know that these are probably the exception but can't you do better when the president arrives? Also, what the hell is it with this flag? I saw this flag a few times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag
Answer: Tea party.
Saw this once:
http://obamalies.net/images/obama_joker_face.jpg
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You made an accusation that you should have backed up with something substantive. That's all. You wrote that they were "a bunch of racist stupid people". You should produce some evidence in support of that. The Gadsden flag and Obama as the Joker aren't doing it for me. Sorry.
 
DJW said:
You made an accusation that you should have backed up with something substantive. That's all. You wrote that they were "a bunch of racist stupid people". You should produce some evidence in support of that. The Gadsden flag and Obama as the Joker aren't doing it for me. Sorry.
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So what you are saying is that I call you a homicidal mass murderer and you would have no problem?
 
parky76 said:
Even if the GOP wins the seat, we can still pass health-care reform.

we still will have 59 seats, and that's a damn good majority.
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That's a good point. Just remember how crazy things were after the election last year... the Dems had 58 seats in the Senate, and the MN race was in limbo. Not to mention, Specter then switched parties - I couldn't believe the Dems even got to 60 in the first place.

Now, having said that I do think a GOP win in MA on Tuesday will give them a boost. But then again a lot of things can happen between then and November. I think it would be a mistake for either party to take anything for granted, as the crazy events of the last year have illustrated.

Lastly, if Brown wins on Tuesday, I see a silver lining from my somewhat centrist Democratic view... 1. Brown is, from what I can see on the national stage, a pretty liberal Republican, and I've been lamenting their absence of
late in the GOP. 2. This could very well force some bipartisanship in the Senate... I hope.

But... it ain't over 'til it's over :)
 
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Incidentally, on the prospects for passing health care reform, I think it will still happen. That's because it will likely take a couple of weeks to certify the election, probably due to the question of absentee ballots, and in that time the Senate will have voted. And if that doesn't happen, there are other ways.
 
Btw, I know it might be too much to ask, but could we PLEASE dispense with the nonsense accusations and stories, from both sides?

I can't believe I am going to say it, but some of you need to take a page from former Presidents Clinton and Bush :rolleyes:
 
MattusMaximus said:
Incidentally, on the prospects for passing health care reform, I think it will still happen. That's because it will likely take a couple of weeks to certify the election, probably due to the question of absentee ballots, and in that time the Senate will have voted.
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That would be political suicide for the Dems ... and they know it. Think for a moment just how signifying a Brown victory would be, and then shove the HC bill down the nation's throat using that angle? Never happen --- besides, I don't believe that his 10 day election certification delay is absolutely required.

And if that doesn't happen, there are other ways.
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Yes ... the house would have to accept the senate bill as it stands. Is that likely? And do they want to pass this massive a social bill without bi-partisan support? --- especially in the event of a Brown victory? (You can also bet that the Dems will be rehashing what happened in Virginia and New Jersey this past election.)
 
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MattusMaximus said:
Incidentally, on the prospects for passing health care reform, I think it will still happen. That's because it will likely take a couple of weeks to certify the election, probably due to the question of absentee ballots, and in that time the Senate will have voted. And if that doesn't happen, there are other ways.
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Stategically, if the GOP truly believes the bill will be a monumental failure (as they often claim) they might as well allow it to pass so they can later blame the Dems for its failure, get back into power and reverse the minor changes made.

But if the GOP is successful at blocking the bill at this time, the public will likely resent nothing being done, over whatever minimal changes the bill would have affected. They will blame the GOP, believing the GOP thinks the status quo re: healthcare is acceptable, which could present a real problem for the GOP in the next election.
 
ProbeX I'd say that analysis is only accurate if the fallout/damage from the health care bill would be minor. If the GOP believes that it will be a hugely detrimental problem, costing massive amounts of money, or even lives, I think they would want to still stand against it, on principle.

I'm not saying that it will turn out that way. I'm just saying, it's not always so easy as just turn around and walk away and let them hang themselves. They may believe it could be bad for everyone, not just the Democrats. They may be actually looking out for everyone. I know that's hard to accept to some on the left, but I suspect if we looked at some things that were done by the Bush's or Reagan, I'm sure there were Democrats against them on principle; where the idea of letting said thing happen so it would hurt the GOP wasn't even on the table. It was more important to stop the terrible action that was forthcoming.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Incidentally, on the prospects for passing health care reform, I think it will still happen. That's because it will likely take a couple of weeks to certify the election, probably due to the question of absentee ballots, and in that time the Senate will have voted. And if that doesn't happen, there are other ways.
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Paraphrasing this method of thinking and acting:

Yeah, Chumpie, you got it? You gotta git and you gotta pay up for this here health care.

We figgur it's real good for you to pay like we tells you too.

And you know, we got ways, you know.

We got different ways to get it to happen.

Yes, indeed. That's going to make a lot of friends and allies.
 
technoextreme said:
So what you are saying is that I call you a homicidal mass murderer and you would have no problem?
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No, that is not what I'm suggesting. I'm sorry that I wasn't clear enough. I have a problem with you calling people names without evidence. Someone calling you a socialist isn't evidence that they are stupid racists. Having flags that proclaim "Don't tread on me" does not make them stupid racists, nor does that Obama Joker picture (actually, I have no idea what that is supposed to symbolize). Calling me a homicidal maniac without evidence is not okay with me. Okay?
 
Not related to this specific race, but in general...Pundits are saying that numbers of voters are upset that the Democrats have not made everything sweetness and light in one year, and so they are now going to vote for Republican candidates....
Representatives of the very party that created the conditions that they are upset about.

Perhaps my son has a point about intelligence tests for voters....
 
Whiplash said:
....They may believe it could be bad for everyone, not just the Democrats. They may be actually looking out for everyone. I know that's hard to accept to some on the left....
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Any elected representative or senator that thinks it's okay to vote the party line and not read the bill should be voted out.

This makes it really easy for the Republicans, since they have complained about getting 1000 page bills at midnight with the vote being the next morning at 9 am.

You don't have to read the bill if there is no time to read it. You just vote no on principle.

Of course there's more to it than that, but that's an important part of it.
 
technoextreme said:
So what you are saying is that I call you a homicidal mass murderer and you would have no problem?
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It depends. Are you literally accusing me of homicide and mass murder? Are you suggesting that I might be prone to such activities in the future? If so, then I expect you to bring some evidence to support those claims, or else kindly shut up.

But if you're comparing me to a comic book villain for rhetorical purposes, all that I really care about is whether or not the comparison resonates, and whether your rhetoric is any good.

Incidentally, "comparing someone to the Joker is the same as accusing them of homicide and mass murder" is pretty much epic rhetorical fail.
 
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