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The people in the Philippines talk to her in Filipino and she responds in Filipino even though she does not speak the language.
How do you know that she cant speak filipino?
The people in the Philippines talk to her in Filipino and she responds in Filipino even though she does not speak the language.
She was an heiress to the Helene Curtis cosmetics fortune but she relinquished her claim to that fortune.
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/2697.htmlHelene Curtis Industries Inc.
In 1927, Gerald Gidwitz and Louis Stein formed the National Mineral Co., which made the “Peach Bloom Facial Mask” and other beauty products. During the 1930s, the company had success selling shampoos, “Lanolin Creme,” and “Suave” brands. After World War II, the company changed its name to Helene Curtis, which combined the names of Stein's wife and son.
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In 1996, one year after Helene Curtis moved its headquarters to suburban Rolling Meadows, it was purchased by Unilever, the giant British-Dutch corporation.
I know that WWIII will be started in Spratly Islands claimed by the Philippines.
For example, I am in-charge of a missile silo in the US.
Most of the time, it is the spirit of Ama who appropriates the physical body of Ka Apaz. However, sometimes, the Blessed Virgin Mary talks. Saint Evangeline, a cherubim, (named by the people) speaks with a nasal twang (“ngongo”). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_monarchshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_era
That was via Ka Apaz right? You didn't actually meet this "Angelina" person, did you?20120823.2315
@AdMan, #3758
I have talked to Angelina Imden once. I heard her in two or three other tapes.
Oh, right.The people in the Philippines talk to her in Filipino and she responds in Filipino even though she does not speak the language.
She was an heiress to the Helene Curtis cosmetics fortune but she relinquished her claim to that fortune.
I live in England, Peace Crusader. None of this is even remotely likely, never mind true. Do you seriously expect us to believe that the "leader of an [unnamed] religious group" with no hits on google, is keeping seven dead bodies in her house, in contravention of the law, having dug those bodies up, which is also against the law? How old is this strangely named Angelina Imden?20120823.2315
@AdMan, #3758
I have talked to Angelina Imden once. I heard her in two or three other tapes. The people in the Philippines talk to her in Filipino and she responds in Filipino even though she does not speak the language.
She was an heiress to the Helene Curtis cosmetics fortune but she relinquished her claim to that fortune. Instead, she leads a religious group somewhere in England. She has been assigned by Jesus to dig up the physical bodies in which the spirit of Reneliniyindi resided, according to Ama. Last that I know is that there were already about seven cadavers in individual coffins in a room at her place. When the spirit of Reneliniyindi enters a cadaver, a light switches on to know which coffin has the spirit.
When and where would we hear these voices in English?According to Ama, what the people in England would hear are the voices of those talking in the Philippines but in the language of where the cadaver was dug up. For example, the cadaver was dug up in Iran, the language maybe Persian. Those in England would hear the voices from the Philippines speaking in Persian even though they don’t know Persian. The voice from the Philippines will still be the same but the language is not in Filipino but in Persian.
It's almost as if she's yet another made up character in Ka Apaz's repertoire of fake voices - no wait, it's exactly like that.There are other living mediums in other parts of the world like Maricel in Canada, Dulce in Israel, and Salome in California. Dulce, for example, speaks in Hebrew. Those around her know Hebrew. The people in the Philippines speak in Filipino but those in Israel will hear them speaking in Hebrew.
I have not been to Europe, or to England. I asked where she [Angelina Imden] is but she seems not to give her true whereabouts. This is one thing that I doubt – why she seems to refuse where to see her.
So she whistles under a sheet - and you think this is meaningful. Tell me, have you looked up "gullible" in a dictionary?This may be why there is a whistling sound at the entry and exit of spirits when Ka Apaz is lying down and covered with bedsheet. Ama says that people in other parts of the world would hear the session also. If she is standing up, like in mass, only those in the Philippines would hear the mass (http://aristean.org/wp086.htm titled “How the Holy Spirit talks to people”.
What does that anecdote have to do with anything?Ama related an incident wherein a foreigner was looking for Ka Apaz at Baliwag, Bulacan but was referred to the town of Capaz, Tarlac, some 80 km away to the northwest.
Ha! Trick question.Tell me, have you looked up "gullible" in a dictionary?
If Ka Apaz was just faking the personalities that I mentioned, how could she impersonate individuals like a Saint Evangeline who is a “ngongo” (maybe with a cleft lip or harelip) or a fast talker like Santa Cecilia with an accent as well?
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Darn! You ruined my cunning plan.Ha! Trick question.
You can't fool me; "gullible" isn't in the dictionary.
A bloke down the pub told me.
Regarding your question, I will not start off World War III. For example, I am in-charge of a missile silo in the US. I first get my instruction to fire my missile from the Commander-in-chief. Only when I get the confirmation will I fire it.
I know that WWIII will be started in Spratly Islands claimed by the Philippines. How would I start it off there? Do I attack the islands and reefs occupied by foreign troops and drive them out from the area claimed by the Philippines? Does the Philippines have the capability to drive out other claimants? How sure am I that my action will trigger a world war? China or Vietnam may counterattack, and instead of my driving out the claimants, I may even lose those that I already hold, like what happened between China and Vietnam.
If I were a Chinese at the Spratly Islands, I can grab islands and reef held by other claimants, like what I did at Mischief Reef taken from the Philippines. But I have to watch out for my action for the US may retaliate in behalf of the Philippines.
To me, at present, the name Reneliniyindi is the name of the spirit that is in Ka Apaz. It was a spirit in Heaven which was brought down to earth after the Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM) ascended to Heaven. This spirit, according to Ama, first resided in an Egyptian princess named Reneliniyindi who died during her wedding day to Philip I (or maybe to the very first monarch to which King Philip II descended).
If Ka Apaz was just faking the personalities that I mentioned, how could she impersonate individuals like a Saint Evangeline who is a “ngongo” (maybe with a cleft lip or harelip) or a fast talker like Santa Cecilia with an accent as well?
It is good that you get the info from me who is still living whom you can ask. I am an eyewitness. It would be difficult to reconstruct events if the eyewitnesses are already dead.
Regarding Adolf Hitler, I am not sure about him being eaten by maggots while alive. There seems to be no account of it on the Internet.
I have talked to Angelina Imden once. <snip> She has been assigned by Jesus to dig up the physical bodies in which the spirit of Reneliniyindi resided, according to Ama. Last that I know is that there were already about seven cadavers in individual coffins in a room at her place. When the spirit of Reneliniyindi enters a cadaver, a light switches on to know which coffin has the spirit.
This may be why there is a whistling sound at the entry and exit of spirits when Ka Apaz is lying down and covered with bedsheet. Ama says that people in other parts of the world would hear the session also. If she is standing up, like in mass, only those in the Philippines would hear the mass (http://aristean.org/wp086.htm titled “How the Holy Spirit talks to people”.
IDo you seriously expect us to believe that the "leader of an [unnamed] religious group" with no hits on google, is keeping seven dead bodies in her house, in contravention of the law, having dug those bodies up, which is also against the law?
It's a good thing it's you and not I standing by that fatal button, because if it were shiny and a pretty colour--purple, say--I just might be tempted to push it.
I have talked to Angelina Imden once. I heard her in two or three other tapes. ...
She was an heiress to the Helene Curtis cosmetics fortune but she relinquished her claim to that fortune. Instead, she leads a religious group somewhere in England. She has been assigned by Jesus to dig up the physical bodies in which the spirit of Reneliniyindi resided, according to Ama. Last that I know is that there were already about seven cadavers in individual coffins in a room at her place. When the spirit of Reneliniyindi enters a cadaver, a light switches on to know which coffin has the spirit.
...There are other living mediums in other parts of the world like Maricel in Canada, Dulce in Israel, and Salome in California. Dulce, for example, speaks in Hebrew. Those around her know Hebrew. The people in the Philippines speak in Filipino but those in Israel will hear them speaking in Hebrew.
....I confess that, on many days, I would not trade this thread for a sackful of beignets from Café du Monde.

I am consulting the censuses and electoral rolls in the UK, but it's such an uncommon name that there is only one family named Imden on the 1911 census. They certainly wouldn't be heirs to a cosmetics fortune, being a widowed labourer and his two daughters, living in a boarding house in a very poor part of London.
I will continue researching with the small amount of information PC has given us, but at this time I think it's safe to say that I can be 99% certain that this Angelina Imden doesn't exist. I am following the censuses and electoral rolls back to find out if there are other branches of the family who might have spelled their name differently, and given the birth dates of the daughters (1895 and 1902) I should be able to trace their death certificates (and marriage certificates if they were married).
I confess that, on many days, I would not trade this thread for a sackful of beignets from Café du Monde.
Okay, further research searching everything from parish registers to ship manifests is not finding any Imdens to match the one family I found, and it looks as though 'Imden' is a transcription error.
This is a section of the 1911 census - I don't think the surname of this family is actually Imden at all.
It says George James ?Imden Boarder [age]38 Widower
Eliza ?Imden 16 Daughter
(crossed out) George ?Imden ?Litchfield school 14 Son (there is no corresponding boarder at Lichfield cathedral school)
Lillian ?Imden 9 Daughter
Okay, further research searching everything from parish registers to ship manifests is not finding any Imdens to match the one family I found, and it looks as though 'Imden' is a transcription error.
This is a section of the 1911 census - I don't think the surname of this family is actually Imden at all.
It says George James ?Imden Boarder [age]38 Widower
Eliza ?Imden 16 Daughter
(crossed out) George ?Imden ?Litchfield school 14 Son (there is no corresponding boarder at Lichfield cathedral school)
Lillian ?Imden 9 Daughter
Mr. Gidwitz turned over Helene Curtis to his son Ronald in 1979, and later transferred control of Continental Materials to his son James.
Mr. Gidwitz met his wife, Jane Blumenthal, while on business in Philadelphia during World War II. They married in 1944 and settled in Chicago before moving to Highland Park to raise a family. After the children were raised, they moved to the Near North Side in the early 1970s. Mrs. Gidwitz died in 2001.
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In addition to his son Ronald, who was a Illinois gubernatorial candidate in the 2006 Republican primary, and his son James, other survivors include two more sons, Peter and Thomas; a daughter, Nancy; and nine grandchildren.