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[pakeha]

...So, you, together with blue sock monkey and Astreja, to name a few, believe that Ka Apaz is just faking the spirit of Ama. Please read my transcription of the audio file http://aristean.org/b25b-pah1.mp3 in http://aristean.org/transcript063.htm . It says that it is not that there is no faith [in God] but it is people who made themselves to believe such.

I listened and read, PC.
Not 300 km from my home lived a woman who claimed to channel the BVM, in El Escorial, Spain.
This particular vicious old toad commanded an army of believers and in her vanity would allow herself to be recorded and filmed in her painfully obviously faked 'trances'.

Her followers gave their monies, properties and time to the cause and La Vidente de El Escorial has attracted nation-wide media attention and debate.
http://www.larazon.es/noticia/7256-muere-amparo-cuevas-la-vidente-de-el-escorial
http://www.lasexta.com/sextatv/elin...cuevas__la_vidente_de_el_escorial/210601/4942

You see, PC, this sort of fraud happens all the time. KA is not alone in this.

Why do you think would Ka Apaz expound lengthily on a subject matter, such as in http://aristean.org/pahayagxxx.htm where xxx is the message number:
001 – “Panambitan ng Espiritu Santo para sa lahat” (Plea of the Holy Spirit to all)
002 – “Sermon – 1983-06-05”
003 - “Ang sawimpalad na inhinyero” (The broken-hearted engineer)
004 – “Ang hari ng mga hari” (The King of kings)
006 – “Si Jesucristo at ang Ama ay iisa” (Jesus Christ and the Father are one)
008 – “Mga sinalita ni Jesucristo sa krus” (The words of Jesus Christ on the cross)
013 – “Mga tagubilin ni Jesucristo” (Instructions of Jesus Christ)
032 – “Ang panauhin sa ating puso” (The visitor of our heart)
033 – “Tayo ay pantay-pantay at magkakapatid” (We are [all] equal and are brothers and sisters)
034 – “Palawakin ang isipan” (Broaden the mind)
037 – “Ang manliligaw ng kaisipan” (Those who will poison the mind)
047 – “Ang babaeng hindi pa mag-aasawa” (The woman who does not want to marry yet)
050 – “Pagpaparinig ng tinig” (That you may hear the voice)
053 – “Ang pagdakip at pagpapahirap kay Jesucristo” (The capture and torture of Jesus Christ)
056 – “Ang sugarol na abogado” (The gambling lawyer)
060 – “Nagbubo ng dugo at nagbuwis ng buhay” (Bloodletting and martyrdom)
068 – “Ang kaluluwa at ang uod” (The soul and the maggot)
073 – “Paliwanag tungkol sa Juan 17” (Explanation about John 17)
075 – “Si San Juan Bautista ay nabuhay na magmuli” (John the Baptist lived again)
076 – “Bahagi ng pagka-Diyos” (Part of being God)
077 – “Binyag at kumpil” (Baptism and confirmation)

These are some of what the spirit of Ama said in our sessions with him which I have transcribed.

Does anyone really take this seriously?
068 – “Ang kaluluwa at ang uod” (The soul and the maggot)
056 – “Ang sugarol na abogado” (The gambling lawyer)
003 - “Ang sawimpalad na inhinyero” (The broken-hearted engineer)

Regarding the Egyptian princess Reneliniyindi, I still doubt that. I just say that the spirit of Ama said it. But I believe what is in the Holy Bible about the two women (Matthew 24:41 and Luke 17:35). The one taken is the Blessed Virgin Mary and the one left is physical body in which the spirit of Reneliniyindi lived (reincarnation in which the spirit resides at present in Ka Apaz).

Not just the nonexistent Reneliniyindi, but her elusive parents and bigamous bride-groom, Philip I.
Not to mention the claims of re-incarnation.

..The most interesting thing I learned in this thread is that Agatha's daughter was off doing much more Christian things (whether or not she has that belief) than you and your old miscreant crone have done. ...

Indeed.
Agatha, how is your daughter doing?

Why would you waste 11 years talking to a "spirit" that you didn't believe in?

I'd suspect PC has a relly who was a believer and drew him into this circle.
Still, PC, whatever I think of KA, my offer to translate whatever document you like is still open.
Did you look over the Wikipedia list of Visigothic kings?

Do you feel it is incomplete?

ETA:
Here is a link to the Victims of Amparo Cuevas website.

 

[DrDave]

And London is still here nice sunny day with breezes

Lies!!



It's a bit cloudy

 

[Cuddles]

FYI, Ama says, and I subscribe to it, that we are ALL equal.

But some are more equal than others.

 

[Foolmewunz]

You may have a superior “powers of discernment and analysis”, but do they mean that you are all superior to anyone? FYI, Ama says, and I subscribe to it, that we are ALL equal. Whether we have graduated from the best university in the world, or whatever, we are still equal. Why? Is the President superior to the pauper on the street? Both will die. Both have been created by God. Both will face God.

So, let me get this straight. Ama, who is actually The Spirit of Jesus Christ (that guy with all the forgiveness, love, charity and redemption - remember, him?) says that we're all equal. Yet Jesus' Daddy (the great high poobah of heaven himself, omniscient and omnipotent and omnipresent, hairy thunderer, cosmic muffin, whatever you will) woke up one fine morning back in the 1980s and said, "Ya know, son, I'm with you on all people being equal in My eyes, so let's say we start World War III and wipe out 2/3 of them. It'll be easier this time - they're all equal so we won't have to pick the righteous or the non-righteous. We can just keep count and stop when we get to four billion dead. How's that sound? I'm good to go with it if you can just get some crazy lady in a remote province in an insignificant country to promote the idea."

 

[Dcdrac]

London is doomed clouds have appeared ........

 

[Foolmewunz]

London is doomed clouds have appeared ........

Some minor prophet has been saying that every morning since 1067, you realize?

 

[poblob14]

Why do you think would Ka Apaz expound lengthily on a subject matter, such as in http://aristean.org/pahayagxxx.htm where xxx is the message number:
001 – “Panambitan ng Espiritu Santo para sa lahat” (Plea of the Holy Spirit to all)
002 – “Sermon – 1983-06-05”
003 - “Ang sawimpalad na inhinyero” (The broken-hearted engineer)
004 – “Ang hari ng mga hari” (The King of kings)
006 – “Si Jesucristo at ang Ama ay iisa” (Jesus Christ and the Father are one)
008 – “Mga sinalita ni Jesucristo sa krus” (The words of Jesus Christ on the cross)
013 – “Mga tagubilin ni Jesucristo” (Instructions of Jesus Christ)
032 – “Ang panauhin sa ating puso” (The visitor of our heart)
033 – “Tayo ay pantay-pantay at magkakapatid” (We are [all] equal and are brothers and sisters)
034 – “Palawakin ang isipan” (Broaden the mind)
037 – “Ang manliligaw ng kaisipan” (Those who will poison the mind)
047 – “Ang babaeng hindi pa mag-aasawa” (The woman who does not want to marry yet)
050 – “Pagpaparinig ng tinig” (That you may hear the voice)
053 – “Ang pagdakip at pagpapahirap kay Jesucristo” (The capture and torture of Jesus Christ)
056 – “Ang sugarol na abogado” (The gambling lawyer)
060 – “Nagbubo ng dugo at nagbuwis ng buhay” (Bloodletting and martyrdom)
068 – “Ang kaluluwa at ang uod” (The soul and the maggot)
073 – “Paliwanag tungkol sa Juan 17” (Explanation about John 17)
075 – “Si San Juan Bautista ay nabuhay na magmuli” (John the Baptist lived again)
076 – “Bahagi ng pagka-Diyos” (Part of being God)
077 – “Binyag at kumpil” (Baptism and confirmation)

056 is clearly about me. I am a lawyer, and I do in fact gamble.

Seriously, what the hell is this list of religious topics, job descriptions, and outright non sequiturs supposed to suggest to us? Why would she expound on them . . . I dunno, 'cause she's nuts?

 

[Correa Neto]

I wonder how many cults and religions started just like what we are seeing...

Someone manages to fool a small group of people with tall tales and revelations about gods, spirits, the shape of things to come, etc.

One of the fooled folks is a naive, gullible, ignorant and arrogant die-hard believer. The sucker decides to carry on and starts to spread the babble, adding more stuff (his/hers "interpretations", factoids, etc.) to the original material. The self-proclaimed evangelizer, apostle, pope, cult leader, chief, etc. continues to spread the faith, even after the original revelations are shown to be crap.

Now, Peace Crusader's evangelization failed, quite likely as others did, but maybe a handfull performed better. Like Christianity, perhaps?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

I listened and read, PC.
Not 300 km from my home lived a woman who claimed to channel the BVM, in El Escorial, Spain.
This particular vicious old toad commanded an army of believers and in her vanity would allow herself to be recorded and filmed in her painfully obviously faked 'trances'.

Her followers gave their monies, properties and time to the cause and La Vidente de El Escorial has attracted nation-wide media attention and debate.
http://www.larazon.es/noticia/7256-muere-amparo-cuevas-la-vidente-de-el-escorial
http://www.lasexta.com/sextatv/elin...cuevas__la_vidente_de_el_escorial/210601/4942

You see, PC, this sort of fraud happens all the time. KA is not alone in this.


Does anyone really take this seriously?
068 – “Ang kaluluwa at ang uod” (The soul and the maggot)
056 – “Ang sugarol na abogado” (The gambling lawyer)
003 - “Ang sawimpalad na inhinyero” (The broken-hearted engineer)


Not just the nonexistent Reneliniyindi, but her elusive parents and bigamous bride-groom, Philip I.
Not to mention the claims of re-incarnation.


Indeed.
Agatha, how is your daughter doing?


I'd suspect PC has a relly who was a believer and drew him into this circle.
Still, PC, whatever I think of KA, my offer to translate whatever document you like is still open.
Did you look over the Wikipedia list of Visigothic kings?

Do you feel it is incomplete?

ETA:
Here is a link to the Victims of Amparo Cuevas website.

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@pakeha, #3741

Ka Apaz was born on 1939-05-05. I think before this, her spirit lived in a Spanish woman. I will look for the name and other info in one of the tapes. Since you are in Spain, you may check this out whether this woman existed or not. I think the bodies in which Reneliniyindi lived do not decay. Incorruptible. They are as if just sleeping. It is because there is no spirit in them.

Most of the time, it is the spirit of Ama who appropriates the physical body of Ka Apaz. However, sometimes, the Blessed Virgin Mary talks. Saint Evangeline, a cherubim, (named by the people) speaks with a nasal twang (“ngongo”). There is Santa Cecilia who speaks very fast. There is Angelina Imden of England who collects the bodies in which Reneliniyindi lived all around the world. There are also other male personalities, like San Gabriel. I cannot remember the others.

You said:
Does anyone really take this seriously?
068 – “Ang kaluluwa at ang uod” (The soul and the maggot)
056 – “Ang sugarol na abogado” (The gambling lawyer)
003 - “Ang sawimpalad na inhinyero” (The broken-hearted engineer)

My reply:
Yes, there are people who listen to those you mentioned because they give lessons. Did you know that there are only three people in this world who while still alive were being eaten by maggots? They were King Herod the Great (who killed innocent children), Adolf Hitler (for starting World War II), and Mariano(?) Chico of Baliwag, Bulacan, Philippines. This happened to Chico because he charged exorbitant interest rate.

Notice in the first two messages that you mentioned, they were conversations between Ama and some listeners. Ama’s answers were extensive. The third is mainly an exposition of Ama about us, the engineers of our own soul.

The giving of money to Ka Apaz is on a voluntary basis, or not at all. You know, if only Ka Apaz charges those she had healed, she could have amassed a fortune. But until now, at age 73, she is still poor.

Thank you for your readiness to translate Spanish text to English. I noticed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_monarchs , Charles I is followed by Philip II (Felipe II). Where is Philip I (Felipe I)? The Philippines was discovered by Magellan for Spain in 1521 and was named Las Islas Filipinas by Villalobos after the Crown Prince Philip II.

Also, in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_era, the year began with year one in what is 38 BC. The year 38 BC is only five years away from my determination of the birth of Jesus Christ in 33 BC. The Wikipedia entry says that “the Hispanic era probably began in the 3rd century” and lasted until the 14th century.

I think the Spanish era uses the purely lunar calendar. For example, the year 201 in the 3rd century of the Julian solar calendar is equivalent to year 239 in the Spanish era. To know what year 1 of the Spanish era is, it would be 32 BC. Jesus was born in 33 BC as per my determination based on Ama’s revelation of May 23.

Why was the Spanish era abandoned in the 14th century AD? Because the Spaniards were using the Julian solar calendar whereas the Spanish era was using the purely lunar calendar.

What is the relevance of these to the thread? You say that Ka Apaz is just faking Ama so the prophecies did not happen. I would say that Ama gave the prophecies. Ama also revealed the May 23 birth of Jesus. He also gave the above expositions. If Ka Apaz is faking Ama, why would she give the May 23 date and make those extemporaneous expositions?

 

[AdMan]

I noticed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_monarchs , Charles I is followed by Philip II (Felipe II). Where is Philip I (Felipe I)?

He is mentioned in that very page you linked to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_I_of_Castile

That demonstrates how carefully you are doing your "research".

A better question is just where the hell is Reneliniyindi?

 

[gabeygoat]

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If Ka Apaz is faking Ama, why would she give the May 23 date and make those extemporaneous expositions?

Why not? If she's faking it she can make up any old date or exposition she wants.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

It irritates everyone because it is pointless repetition.

PeaceCrusader is the prince of pointless repetition. How many times now has he told us that he doesn't know why the alleged prophecy has failed?

God will still leave about two billion people.

But according to you, God will have no part in this nuclear holocaust. You've said that World War III will be entirely man's doing, implying that there's nothing God can do about it. Yet, if God is saving two billion people, why can't he save everyone?

Then we will have what is prophesied in the Holy Bible about a thousand years of peace because Satan will be imprisoned (Revelation 20:2-3).

Huh? Mankind blows itself up with nukes and suddenly Satan is imprisoned? That makes no sense at all...

 

[gabeygoat]

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The giving of money to Ka Apaz is on a voluntary basis, or not at all. You know, if only Ka Apaz charges those she had healed, she could have amassed a fortune. But until now, at age 73, she is still poor.

There have been innumerable fake psychics/mediums/faith healers that work by donation and make a living. Ka Apaz may or may not really be poor. That could also be an act. Or maybe, she really is poor. It doesn't matter. She gets money and a big ego from being a fake and not having to do real work.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Did you know that there are only three people in this world who while still alive were being eaten by maggots? They were King Herod the Great (who killed innocent children), Adolf Hitler (for starting World War II), and Mariano(?) Chico of Baliwag, Bulacan, Philippines. This happened to Chico because he charged exorbitant interest rate.

Well, this is wrong. Maggots have long been used to remove gangrenous tissue, so there have been many, many people who were voluntarily eaten by maggots while they were still alive.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1024_031024_maggotmedicine.html

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gangrene/Pages/new_Treatment.aspx

Furthermore, if charging exorbitant interest rates were enough to get you cursed with maggots, no executive of Visa, MasterCard, or any payday loan company would still be alive.

 

[Pixel42]

If Ka Apaz is faking Ama, why would she give the May 23 date and make those extemporaneous expositions?

She made it up. She makes everything up. She knows it doesn't matter what she says, people like you will always find some way of convincing themselves that it makes sense. If she'd said Jesus was born on March 9th you would have found some way of "proving" to your satisfaction (if nobody else's) that that was his actual date of birth. No matter how ridiculous her pronouncements, how provably false they are, you will carry on believing regardless, as you have demonstrated throughout this thread. There's no reason why she need do anything but just make stuff up at random. So that's what she does.

 

[pakeha]

20120823.0135

@pakeha, #3741

Ka Apaz was born on 1939-05-05. I think before this, her spirit lived in a Spanish woman. I will look for the name and other info in one of the tapes. Since you are in Spain, you may check this out whether this woman existed or not. I think the bodies in which Reneliniyindi lived do not decay. Incorruptible. They are as if just sleeping. It is because there is no spirit in them.

Sure, just post up the links you want investigated. no problem.
I see you really DO believe in Reneliniyindi.
We've explained just what a crass hoax that tale is.
Why would certain cadavers be incorruptible?

Most of the time, it is the spirit of Ama who appropriates the physical body of Ka Apaz. However, sometimes, the Blessed Virgin Mary talks. Saint Evangeline, a cherubim, (named by the people) speaks with a nasal twang (“ngongo”). There is Santa Cecilia who speaks very fast. There is Angelina Imden of England who collects the bodies in which Reneliniyindi lived all around the world. There are also other male personalities, like San Gabriel. I cannot remember the others.

An entire repertoire of characters, indeed.
Angelina Imden?
It looks like the cheap splicing of the name of a film star with the name of a cell-phone.

Did you know that there are only three people in this world who while still alive were being eaten by maggots?

Utter rubbish, PC. Are you really unaware maggots are/have been used to 'clean' some types of wounds?

Notice in the first two messages that you mentioned, they were conversations between Ama and some listeners. Ama’s answers were extensive. The third is mainly an exposition of Ama about us, the engineers of our own soul.

That doesn't really correspond to what you posted.

The giving of money to Ka Apaz is on a voluntary basis, or not at all. You know, if only Ka Apaz charges those she had healed, she could have amassed a fortune. But until now, at age 73, she is still poor.

PC, La Vidente de El Escorial got very, very rich on donations. KA's modest lifestyle may not be reflected in how her relatives live. In any case, the need to act out being a false prophet isn't always for money- it can be about feeling important, needed, respected.

Thank you for your readiness to translate Spanish text to English. I noticed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_monarchs , Charles I is followed by Philip II (Felipe II). Where is Philip I (Felipe I)? The Philippines was discovered by Magellan for Spain in 1521 and was named Las Islas Filipinas by Villalobos after the Crown Prince Philip II.

I've posted this information up several times, PC.
Philip I is also called Philip the Fair or Philip I of Castile. He was the husband of Juana la Loca.

[/QUOTE]...I think the Spanish era uses the purely lunar calendar. [/QUOTE]

Don't be ridiculous. They used a solar calendar, as used through out the Roman Empire.
What would make you think otherwise?

What is the relevance of these to the thread? You say that Ka Apaz is just faking Ama so the prophecies did not happen. I would say that Ama gave the prophecies. Ama also revealed the May 23 birth of Jesus. He also gave the above expositions. If Ka Apaz is faking Ama, why would she give the May 23 date and make those extemporaneous expositions?

From what you have written, this dating was part of the tradition of this group before you joined them. In any case, it's nonsense, PC.

 

[Astreja]

Ka Apaz was born on 1939-05-05. I think before this, her spirit lived in a Spanish woman.

Utter nonsense until you prove that "souls" and "spirits" exist.

Most of the time, it is the spirit of Ama who appropriates the physical body of Ka Apaz.

Unsupported assertion: No evidence for "Ama."

However, sometimes, the Blessed Virgin Mary talks.

Dead and probably mythical women don't talk.

Saint Evangeline, a cherubim...

The word is 'cherub' ('cherubim' being the plural of 'cherub'), and there's no evidence for them either.

You really do believe a lot of weird and unproven things, Aristeo. Try reality; it's so much more useful.

 

[AdMan]

Angelina Imden?
It looks like the cheap splicing of the name of a film star with the name of a cell-phone.

I googled the name. Not surprisingly, she only appears in online posts by our friend PC.

Apparently, she is supposed to be an heiress to the Helene Curtis cosmetics fortune (see this link and search for Imden)! Did Ka Apaz reveal that too, PC? If that's true, she should be easy to find. Have you found her PC? I'm guessing not.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

She made it up. She makes everything up. She knows it doesn't matter what she says, people like you will always find some way of convincing themselves that it makes sense. If she'd said Jesus was born on March 9th you would have found some way of "proving" to your satisfaction (if nobody else's) that that was his actual date of birth. No matter how ridiculous her pronouncements, how provably false they are, you will carry on believing regardless, as you have demonstrated throughout this thread. There's no reason why she need do anything but just make stuff up at random. So that's what she does.

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@Pixel42, #3755

Initially, I thought that the year when Jesus was born was 34 BC. I was able to determine that He died on August 17, 1 BC as per my studies from 1999 to 2003. The results are at http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm .

So 1 BC death minus 33 years that we were told that He lived gives year 34 BC, that is, 1 BC - 33 years = 34 BC. Did you know that May 23, 34 BC did not fit in to the accounts in the Holy Bible? So I tried May 23, 33 BC. Presto! Everything fit into place. That means, Jesus was only 32 solar years old when He died. Not 33.

If you try March 9, 34 BC or March 9, 33 BC birth of Jesus, they would not fit perfectly.

How could Ka Apaz give ancient dates? Ama must know better because he is the spirit of Jesus Christ which I believed since 1994. But my faith in him was put to a test because had I found out in my studies that Jesus could not have been born on May 23 or died on August 17, I would have renounced my belief in him. But I found both of them correct. They fit in the accounts in the Holy Bible and Josephus and Stellafane and NASA, and the Aristean Cycle, etc.

 

[Robrob]

20120821.0030

Yesterday when I was gardening, it came to my mind why the prophecy failed. Yes, the 2012 Olympic Games (OG) in London was ended on 08-12. But the threat of a world war originating from the Spratly Islands claimed by the Philippines is still there.

Yes, sometime between now and the end of infinity...

I remember asking Ama for the Blessed Virgin Mary to appear at the rooftop of the grandstand at Rizal Park in Manila for people to believe. He declined. Why? People will believe only because of the wonder and amazement that they experienced. What the spirit want is for people to believe without this wonder and amazement. Matthew 24:13 states, “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” So in order to be saved, faith in Ama has to be continuous no matter what sufferings we encounter until the end.

Funny how the fake medium you fell for before continues to insist you accept him/her without proof.

Just because the prophesied world war did not happen during the 2012 OG, it will be abandoned? No. A world war will still happen from the Philippines. He has been telling us of this war. So we better hang on to him. Mark 8:35 states, “For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s the same shall save it.” This is similar to Luke 9:24, 17:33; Matthew 10:39, 16:25; and John 12:25.

He/she lied to you about a war happening during the Olympics and you still want to accept what he/she says without question?