Why church is so dangerous !!!

[Davidjayjordan]

I agree, crutches are very dangerous. It's easy to trip and fall, or get them caught in something. Not to mention the danger to others posed by an inexperienced person using crutches.

Oooh, never mind, you're just babbling about atheism worshipping nothingness some more. Never mind.

yes Johnny Five, throw away your athiestic crutches that you have thought you needed all these years, and wake up with some real coffee, called reality.

 

[JonnyFive]

Nah, you are just being foolish and flippant, as false skeptics do not want to see any light, or make any claims because they are gutless and afraid of any truths. But really not all your fault, D'rok, its mainly to do with your adherance to your athiestic church that teaches you to worship nothingness.

Pssst, DJJ... it's "i before e except after c, or when sounding like "a" as in "neighbor" and "weigh""

I love your use of the word "flippant" though, one doesn't hear it nearly enough in everyday language.

 

[strathmeyer]

Nah, you are just being foolish and flippant, as false skeptics do not want to see any light, or make any claims because they are gutless and afraid of any truths. But really not all your fault, D'rok, its mainly to do with your adherance to your athiestic church that teaches you to worship nothingness.

Davidjayjordan, I am very interested in joining a church. Please tell me more about this atheistic church of which you speak. What is its name? Where is it? How do I join? How do you worship nothingness? Please explain it to me.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Nah, you are just being foolish and flippant, as false skeptics do not want to see any light, or make any claims because they are gutless and afraid of any truths.

I'm not afraid of this truths:

David Jay Jordan changed the dates of his prophecy when it became clear that what he had prophesied was not happening.

Are you afraid of this truth? If not, then perhaps you would like to discuss it. If you continue to pretend that that truth does not exist then surely even you can see the irony in your accusing anyone else of being "gutless and afraid of any truths".

 

[D'rok]

Nah, you are just being foolish and flippant, as false skeptics do not want to see any light, or make any claims because they are gutless and afraid of any truths. But really not all your fault, D'rok, its mainly to do with your adherance to your athiestic church that teaches you to worship nothingness.

Bait taken. This is fun! It's like I'm Pavlov and you're my dog! I can see how this thread got so long.

Let's see...

Your gutlessness makes you afraid of the great truth of nothingness. Bow down to your atheistic master!

Ding Ding

 

[Foster Zygote]

Bait taken. This is fun! It's like I'm Pavlov and you're my dog! I can see how this thread got so long.

Let's see...

Your gutlessness makes you afraid of the great truth of nothingness. Bow down to your atheistic master!

Ding Ding

If you ask about his altered prophecy it's like making him lay down and play dead.

 

[D'rok]

If you ask about his altered prophecy it's like making him lay down and play dead.

Maybe we can teach him a few new tricks. Even the dumbest dogs can learn at least a couple.

 

[dglas]

I thought that they were easily manipulated by people like yourself because of an unwillingness or inability to investigate and see the falsehood of the ridiculous claims people like you make.

You rightly point out that religious dogma can be a very dangerous thing. But at the head of those dogmatic religious groups are people who demand to be viewed as the arbiters of Truth. People who declare everything that contradicts them to be false. People who will not discuss an issue but rather demand that everyone involved must agree with them. People who ignore evidence that does not support their claims. Sound familiar?

Oh, the irony. The sweet, delicious, blatantly obvious, in-your-face irony. It is truly unfortunate that all except David-It's-not-sin-if'n-I-like-it-JayJordan can see it. Too bad, he might learn something if he could.

Yes, you are getting close,

Oooh. The judge of all the earth squawks...
What did Foster Zygote write about "arbiters of Truth" again? In complete fairness to David-It's-not-sin-if'n-I-like-it-JayJordan, however, we must leave off the pluralization. His is a completely internal world. He recognizes no external referents whatsoever. His "God" is entirely in his head, bound and gagged by David-It's-not-sin-if'n-I-like-it-JayJordan's errors and whims.
The arrogance is matched only by the sheer inanity of the argumentation (if one can be so generous as to call it that).

except that not only the religious can be swayed to do anything in their mob congregational mentality,

Mob mentalities are dangerous; this much is true. Sports fans and political and religious fanatics prove that conclusively on a regular basis. However, the mentality of being absolutely divorced from reality (or even any kind of something-at-all outside the self) is the short path to insanity. Without something, anything, to ground us, one can all too easily and rapidly become lost in one's own desires and conjectures. The significant difference between us and someone like David-It's-not-sin-if'n-I-like-it-JayJordan is that we use verification as the arbiter of our thinking, and empirical verification is reference to the external world. That kind of external referent grounds our thinking in reality. It is also the basis for learning and growth, and the (ridiculously successful) method we have used to increase life spans, improve standards of living and create the technology that folks like David-It's-not-sin-if'n-I-like-it-JayJordan use to try to drag us back into the dark ages.

Note: Since we began critiquing David-It's-not-sin-if'n-I-like-it-JayJordan's meandering conjectures (and since I have suggested he is lost in a meaningless, entirely private realm), he has begun to lean more and more heavily on "God." He knows the critique is applicable, but simply can't come to grips with it. Sadly, the voice inside his head is merely his own, but he's so caught up in his desire for it to be Truth, that he will not fathom this (cannot is an open question). How long before he realizes he's deluding himself? Fantasy realms are comfortable places. It could take a long, long, long time. It took humanity a long, long time to pull itself from that quagmire, and it has not been a pleasant journey...

There is quite a difference between getting caught up in a mob mentality and working with others. The former is unthinking, the latter represents tacit, conditional agreement. Two or even three friends agreeing to buy ice cream in bulk to save money do not a mob mentality make.

but as demenostrated HERE, the non religious can get super zealous in their words and actions in crucifying anything they are told to crucify,

No one tells me what to think or say. This childish little rhetorical tactic has no power among thinking individuals, as has been repeatedly demonstrated to you. Are you ever going to learn this? No? It was a vain hope, I suppose.

David-It's-not-sin-if'n-I-like-it-JayJordan, you are having your errors and fact and thinking pointed out to you, repeatedly, ad nauseam. You are not being crucified. We skeptics debate and argue. We do not, on average, conduct acts of extreme physical violence and murder. That kind of method requires a special kind of mentality - the kind that justifies murder and violence as "Good." What happened to the petulant proclamations that jokes about crucifixion were offensive? I would think that someone so easily offended might find your comparison of debate with crucifixion equally offensive. Oh, wait; this is your private little world we're talking about. You, and only you, decide what is or is not offensive, right?

Stop pretending to be the victim - no one is buying it.

because they lack thinking and are just groupies and have not the ability to learn anything or claim any truth, but they are false skeptics that only pretend to be looking for answers.

There's that "judge of all the earth" syndrome again. You are not in any kind of position to proclaim what is and is not a skeptic - any of the variants of skeptic.

"Looking" for answers, but refusing to refer to anything outside of oneself is pretense of the most intellectually and emotionally dishonest and cowardly sort.

You, know, you do have it within your power to punch your way out of the wet paper bag you are trapped in, but it is going to take a determination to look beyond yourself - to make reference to the external world. Yes, that will entail some constraints on your fantasies, a difficult transition to be sure, but that's part of the learning and growth process.

It is important to understand that a feeling of certainty is not certainty. That's what skeptics understand that you don't. A lack of certainty, however, does not mean a lack of confidence - it just means the confidence is not 100%. That possibility of error is the defining quality/property of a skeptic. It is room for growth and learning, room that those who imagine they "know" do not have.

Mobs are dangerous whether with the religious or the irreligious and their mobs and discussion groups.

Chruches are dangerous, even athiestic churches where they worship themselves and their nothingness doctrines

Speaking of irony....
Accusations of our worshipping ourselves is quite comical coming from you David-It's-not-sin-if'n-I-like-it-JayJordan. We skeptics are the ones who rely on empirical verification to determine the truth or falsity of our thinking. You are the one who relies entirely on private, internal intuition without reference to anything beyond yourself.

I cannot speak for other here; they will reach their own conclusions. For me it is about the future, about the next generations, about humanity, about growth and potential - about a better tomorrow. It is about longer and better lives free of superstition, horror and terror of vague, metaphysical and supernatural forces intrinsically incomprehensible, free of intellectual and emotional enslavement by dogmatic meat-grinders and philosophies with no external referents. A tomorrow free of fatalistic, dead-end doomsayer litanies and power-mad, self-absorbed, manipulative demagogues (and demagogue wannabes).

I do not see this as nothingness.

 

[JonnyFive]

yes Johnny Five, throw away your athiestic crutches that you have thought you needed all these years, and wake up with some real coffee, called reality.

Thank you, DJJ, that is one of the funniest things I've heard all day.

Must be all this atheistic false coffee I'm drinking at work that has me confused, huh?

 

[Hokulele]

I still think DJJ has suffered a temporal lobe seizure at least once in his life. That is yet another of my many questions he has never answered.

 

[Macoy]

Already posted, but i'm only a little sorry

in defense of our angling friend, here was a dangerous church:

 

[bruto]

Trust DJJ to find a way to redefine the lack of crutches as a crutch, just as the absence of churches is a church.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Davidjayjordan, I am very interested in joining a church. Please tell me more about this atheistic church of which you speak. What is its name? Where is it? How do I join? How do you worship nothingness? Please explain it to me.

You are HERE and you are part of this particular athiestic church and part of its congregational mob.

Next question.

Darn athiests are so dumb, they don't even know when they are in their own churches. But I'm telling you they are so zealous and try so hard to inspire the faith of each other in their worship of nothingness, by saying nothing and posting nothingness.

 

[Macoy]

You are HERE and you are part of this particular athiestic church and part of its congregational mob.

Next question.

Darn athiests are so dumb, they don;t even know when they are in their own churches. And I'm telling you they are zealous and try to inspire the faith of eachj other in theie worship of nothingness, by posting nothingness.

it's atheist - get it? ath-e-ist. ok? has god taught you nothing?

 

[Davidjayjordan]

it's atheist - get it? ath-e-ist. ok? has god taught you nothing?

An atheist is an athiest, is an atheist. However you spell it or them, it doesn't change their basic nothingness nature.

 

[Foster Zygote]

You are HERE and you are part of this particular athiestic church and part of its congregational mob.

Next question.

Darn athiests are so dumb, they don't even know when they are in their own churches. But I'm telling you they are so zealous and try so hard to inspire the faith of each other in their worship of nothingness, by saying nothing and posting nothingness.

If we're so dumb how is it that we discovered your attempt to hide your failed prophecy by changing the dates. I'm interested to know: Do you just consciously ignore all attempts to gain your comment regarding your blatant errors and lies, or is your wall of delusion so complete that you subconsciously block this information?

 

[bruto]

An atheist is an athiest, is an atheist. However you spell it or them, it doesn't change their basic nothingness nature.

If it's nothing, how can it be a church too? Is this some kind of David Jay Jordan Zen? The church of no church? The somethingness of nothingness?

A pedant is a man who studies a vacuum through instruments that allow him to draw cross-sections of the details. (John Ciardi)

 

[Miss Anthrope]

An atheist is an athiest, is an atheist. However you spell it or them, it doesn't change their basic nothingness nature.

And no matter how often you are questioned about being a false prophet, it doesn't change the fact that you lack the courage, the humility, and honesty to admit it.

 

[RandFan]

Darn athiests are so dumb...

There is that hypocrisy again.

Let's all not pray to the invisible sky daddy. Let's all not read mythology and pretend that it is in any way significant. I like this unchurch.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

There is that hypocrisy again.

Let's all not pray to the invisible sky daddy. Let's all not read mythology and pretend that it is in any way significant. I like this unchurch.

unamen