Why church is so dangerous !!!

[Davidjayjordan]

Douglas, you have violated all the rules in attacking me without cause just because you have a different god.. SEE your emboldened words.

Take a cold shower, and then get back to us once you have cooled down.

Remember I get in trouble when you guys and gals get heated up and yet usually you do not. My threads get deleted even if you haven't as yet goitten heated up when I differ with yuor religion and theories.

So allow me to report you... and see if the moderators will

And, yes, sometimes they won't always say what you want them to - unlike the voice in your head. That makes them unacceptably dangerous to little emotional cowards like you. Go confess your sins to a tree. It won't condemn you either, just like the voice in your head. You are morally and intellectually corrupt - to the core.

Humans are not mere cogs in dogmatic machines. Nor are they pawns in the meaningless little self-serving drama going on in your head. I find you to be most deplorable and comtemptable. You sold your humanity for the cheapest of all prices - a self-important idea. And you would rather see everyone die that let anything like reality intrude into your twisted little fantasy world.

I stand against monsters who want to treat humanity as expendable, monsters who want to drive us back into that medieval quagmire of horror, stagnation, poverty and death. Monsters who think philospophies are more important that people. Monsters like you.

Never again!

Whew, hopefully you have gotten your wrath out by now. So do take that cold cold shower.

 

[Katana]

"To rest one's case on faith means to concede that reason is on the side of one's enemies- that one has no rational arguments to offer."
- Ayn Rand

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Brethren and non-brethren, This threaqd is about how dangerous the church system is. How dangerous all church systems are whether they are spiritual or whether those church systems worship man as their god, or an ideal as their god (IE Capitlaism etc..)

Church systems make thinking impossible as one must conform to the group mentality to remain a groupie wuithin the political system, the military system, the economic system or the relgious system. All these have fundamental similraities in stopping frre thinking and they are DANGEROUS. Please get back on topic, rather than personal. Much appreciated.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

"To rest one's case on faith means to concede that reason is on the side of one's enemies- that one has no rational arguments to offer."
- Ayn Rand

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Then evoilutionists and anti-conspiracy theorist and atheists have truly conceded that they have no rational arguments to offer..... as they can not prove what they can not experience.... and their enemies have won the war of words and the DEBATE. Thank the Lord for the Lord, for He always wins and He is always rational and logical and real and just.

Couldn;t have said it better myself.

Thanks Katana

 

[jsfisher]

Then evoilutionists and anti-conspiracy theorist and atheists have truly conceded that they have no rational arguments to offer.

Where is your evidence of this bizarre claim? Specific links to posts would be nice.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Sorry Sceptic, you have to learn to discern first between true skeptici9sm and searching for truths and with FALSE skepticism where all truths are denied.

You deny many truths David. You give the incorrect distance to the moon, you claim that uniformitarianism states that nothing has changed since the beginning of time, the calculations you use to "prove" your arguments are filled with errors, you ignore the failure of your prophecies and so on and so on...

 

[Hokulele]

..... as they can not prove what they can not experience....

Prove you understand the difference between a Lagrange point and a barycenter of a multi-body system. Calculate the correct values for each for the earth-moon system. Show your calculations here.

 

[Kochanski]

Ok DJJ, so tell us why what you preach is not a church? Tell us why what you preach is not dangerous? You go on and on endlessly about the danger of church but want us to follow you blindly? How is that any different from church? You don't want us to think, you want us to believe you without question. That makes what you espouse DOGMA and dangerous.

and a hey nonny, nonny and a ha cha cha

 

[bruto]

David, you keep accusing us of being unable to think for ourselves. That is, to put it bluntly, crazy. A sane person would be able to cope with the idea that his ideas can be rejected by a person capable of rational and independent thought, even if convinced that the ideas are correct. Your insistence on ad hominem attacks, fake churches, fake conspiracies, and fake alliances in the place of coherent argument is beyond irrational. I require no church, no doctrine, no support, and no brainwashing to be of the opinion that your ideas are just a pile of bushwit.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Ok DJJ, so tell us why what you preach is not a church? Tell us why what you preach is not dangerous? You go on and on endlessly about the danger of church but want us to follow you blindly? How is that any different from church? You don't want us to think, you want us to believe you without question. That makes what you espouse DOGMA and dangerous.

and a hey nonny, nonny and a ha cha cha

K. you guys and gals for the most part are paralysied by fear and ignorance, into not testing and trying the Lord NOR in searching and studying for truths.

I want you to become true skeptics, to comprehend, study, dissect, research, test, experiment, search some more, test some more, and come to some personal individual conclusions. That's all I can ask.

Test and see that the Lord is good....

or at least get more love and understanding in your lifes.

(SEE jesus and Sex)

 

[Davidjayjordan]

David, you keep accusing us of being unable to think for ourselves. That is, to put it bluntly, crazy. A sane person would be able to cope with the idea that his ideas can be rejected by a person capable of rational and independent thought, even if convinced that the ideas are correct. Your insistence on ad hominem attacks, fake churches, fake conspiracies, and fake alliances in the place of coherent argument is beyond irrational. I require no church, no doctrine, no support, and no brainwashing to be of the opinion that your ideas are just a pile of bushwit.

Fair enough as you definitely have heard enough from me to establish an opinion.

But do consider Bruto that the only thing I can remember about you is that you came up with ONE extraordinary TRUTH, that you are now trying to forget you ever said or wrote.

In all your writings the only thing I remember about you Bruto, is that you said Paul was anti-woman, and you realized this was inconsistent with equality. For with that TRUTH, you could have learned sooooo much more bruot. But you stopped and ran away from your one truth I saw you write.

That's brutal Bruto. One truth in all this time and then you try to deny you stated a truth for once.

 

[bruto]

Fair enough as you definitely have heard enough from me to establish an opinion.

But do consider Bruto that the only thing I can remember about you is that you came up with ONE extraordinary TRUTH, that you are now trying to forget you ever said or wrote.

In all your writings the only thing I remember about you Bruto, is that you said Paul was anti-woman, and you realized this was inconsistent with equality. For with that TRUTH, you could have learned sooooo much more bruot. But you stopped and ran away from your one truth I saw you write.

That's brutal Bruto. One truth in all this time and then you try to deny you stated a truth for once.

I haven't run away from anything. I dislike Paul, and it's one small area in which we seem to be in agreement. I don't deny that. It's irrelevant to what we're talking about now.

 

[Hokulele]

I haven't run away from anything. I dislike Paul, and it's one small area in which we seem to be in agreement. I don't deny that. It's irrelevant to what we're talking about now.

Anything DJJ posts is irrelevant to pretty much everything.

 

[RandFan]

"To rest one's case on faith means to concede that reason is on the side of one's enemies- that one has no rational arguments to offer."
- Ayn Rand

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[RandFan]

K. you guys and gals for the most part are paralysied by fear and ignorance, into not testing and trying the Lord NOR in searching and studying for truths.

I want you to become true skeptics, to comprehend, study, dissect, research, test, experiment, search some more, test some more, and come to some personal individual conclusions. That's all I can ask.

Test and see that the Lord is good....

or at least get more love and understanding in your lifes.

(SEE jesus and Sex)

Typical of a religious fanatic.

I graduated seminary. I spent my life savings to serve as a two year missionary testifying of my belief in god. Had I not firmly and sincerely believed I would not have literally sold everything I owned including my 1967 Camaro that I spent many hours restoring. I loved that car but I obeyed the admonition of Christ to become a fisher of men.

I came, I studied, I dissected, I researched, I tested, I experimented and searched some more, tested some more and then came to many personal and individual conclusions. Chief of which is that there is no god. That took something more though. That took a willingness to acknowledge that I might be wrong about my belief in god.

Other conclusions:

Religious belief is as likely to be deeply held regardless of the belief. In other words, Catholics are as fervent as Muslims. Jehovah's Witnesses as fervent as Hindus. Jews as fervent as Sikhs. Many if not most of the adherents of these sects have tested god and found truth. The problem is that the truths are incompatible. That's a problem.

Social anthropologists tell us that the more a person dissects, studies, tests and searches for truth as a Christian the more that person will come to believe in Christianity. The more a person dissects, studies, tests and searches for truth as a Jew the more that person will come to believe in Judaism. The more a person dissects, studies, tests and searches for truth as a Hindu the more that person will come to believe in Hinduism. That's another problem.

Since many incompatible truths are held by many different and incompatible followers of many different sects then it is demonstrable that dissecting, studying, testing and searching for the truth will not lead a person to the truth unless that person first assumes that he or she could be wrong and that person relies on skepticism and critical thinking.

 

[dglas]

K. you guys and gals for the most part are paralysied by fear and ignorance, into not testing and trying the Lord NOR in searching and studying for truths.

When there's something to test, it'll be tested for. There is nothing to test for. The god-concept is a simple denotative ploy that is both too broad and too narrow. It seems to explain everything by covering all possibilities (including all contradictory ones), but it has no defining limitations and it, therefore, has no value as an explanatory device - it has no predictive power. Another result of it having no defining limitations is that anyone can see anything they want in it - as clearly shown by it being used as a justification for contradictory attitudes and actions. By having all content it ends up having no content.

There's another word for that: meaningless. These kinds of concepts are a dime-a-dozen and do not seriously challenge any thinking person anymore.

Sadly, these properties, none of which are profound, are what permit some to use it for whatever unrestrained flights of fancy their whims dictate. Some are even able to convince themselves that their whims represent the will of God. Fortunately, in most cases these days, they are only able to convince themselves.

I want you to become true skeptics, to comprehend, study, dissect, research, test, experiment, search some more, test some more, and come to some personal individual conclusions. That's all I can ask.

True skeptics (the use of the word "true" in this context is rather like slander actually) are not like true believers. There is a radical difference in the mindset that you simply cannot comprehend, apparantly. I've done my share of study into skepticism, including reading Sextus Empiricus's "Outlines of Pyrrhonism" (a copy of which I own) which discusses the tropes (look it up!) as a means to Ataraxia (look it up!), through the non-dogmatists (look 'em up!), through rationalist/empirical, realist/idealist epistemology (ewww, jargon!), all the way to the modern variants on the skeptical theme (the long, painful road to efficacious thinking). I think I can say with some degree of confidence that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The entertaining thing is that this is clearly obvious to everyone except you. But don't take my word for it, though, read it for yourself. I've given you an author and title - go for it. I, and others, can give you plenty more. (As if Djj would actually do so...)

You like to think of yourself as skeptical, Djj, thinking that defying established authority is what skepticism is about, but neither of these could be further from the case. You wouldn't be the first one to fall into this rather simple trap and you won't be the last. It's actually quite trite. Skepticism has been thoroughly slandered throughout history by the dogmatic. Skepticism is not about denial; it is about doubt. They are not the same. And, no, you will not be permitted to redefine "skeptic" to suit your whims...

Djj, you imagine you've found Truth (or so it would seem), but all you've done is deliberately lost the ability to learn...

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I haven't run away from anything. I dislike Paul, and it's one small area in which we seem to be in agreement. I don't deny that. It's irrelevant to what we're talking about now.

There you go being totally dense again. bruto.

You naturally and normally dislike Paul, because Paul wrote against women, and equality and made sex a sin...and the churchies have parroted Paul's opinion ever since.

PAUL's opinion on sex was only his opinion and NOT THE WORD OF GOD. The Word of God is direct prophecy. (SEE Iran in Prophecy). Paul's opinion as stated in Corinthinians 7 and elsewhere makes sin an automatic sin unless one is married and certified by the systenms of this world. That is not what the Lord said.

You stumble upon a great TRUTH, and then let it slip through your fingers BRUTO. You stop taking more steps to progress and hence are not connecting up turhts, and gaining ground precept by precept. (SEE Prophecy Challenge)

 

[Davidjayjordan]

When there's something to test, it'll be tested for. There is nothing to test for. The god-concept is a simple denotative ploy that is both too broad and too narrow. It seems to explain everything by covering all possibilities (including all contradictory ones), but it has no defining limitations and it, therefore, has no value as an explanatory device - it has no predictive power. Another result of it having no defining limitations is that anyone can see anything they want in it - as clearly shown by it being used as a justification for contradictory attitudes and actions. By having all content it ends up having no content..

Douglas, quite making excuses and DO IT. Stop complaining about parameters and make your own, and DO IT. Quite being so whimpy and prove things to yourself. Quite being wordy and do the experiments in life. Make up your own mind, but at least be HONEST and be scientific and DO IT before making your shallow closed minded wordy excuses.

I like real people with real courage and so does the Lord.

 

[Kochanski]

K. you guys and gals for the most part are paralysied by fear and ignorance, into not testing and trying the Lord NOR in searching and studying for truths.

I want you to become true skeptics, to comprehend, study, dissect, research, test, experiment, search some more, test some more, and come to some personal individual conclusions. That's all I can ask.

Test and see that the Lord is good....

or at least get more love and understanding in your lifes.

(SEE jesus and Sex)

I have no fear, I am not ignorant, I test and study. It is called skepticism and doubt is a key element of it.

I have plenty of love and understanding in my life. You need to stop assuming that everyone but you is a complete dolt.

Already tested DJJ, the "lord" failed, utterly, completely and without question. "Lord" completely unnecessary, nothing to show that "lord" is good at all. NEXT!

 

[dglas]

Douglas, quite making excuses and DO IT. Stop complaining about parameters and make your own, and DO IT. Quite being so whimpy and prove things to yourself. Quite being wordy and do the experiments in life. Make up your own mind, but at least be HONEST and be scientific and DO IT before making your shallow closed minded wordy excuses.

I like real people with real courage and so does the Lord.

I am so very sorry. I'll try to use shorter posts with smaller words in future...

I don't know how to "quite." Quite is not a verb, you see. Verbs and subjects are good things, Djj. They help with clarity (...uh...) thinking clearly.

"DO IT?" Is this a Nike infomercial?

Have done, Djj, over and over again. That's why I reject meaningless fluff and nonsense. If it isn't intrinsically (...err..) innately (...hmmm... this is difficult) meaningless itself, (if it isn't just word-play and matters of definition) I'll look for verification (...dang!...) evidence (...oy!...) proof anyone can refer to. No special, direct hotlines to contrived fictions only one person can access.

I won't "make up my mind." That's what being a skeptic is about. Understand yet? Well, your not skeptical; why would you understand?

I'm not a real person? Did I fail the Turing test (look it up!)?
Oooh... Shallow, dishonest, wordy, unscientific, closed-minded (compound word, dude). Who was whining about name-calling again? Starting to realize you are out of your depth, perhaps?

You sound more desperate with each post, Djj. Maybe you'll learn something soon. Maybe not...