Why church is so dangerous !!!

[jsfisher]

See guys, because of your self righteous attitude in being better and wiser than the Lord, you have formed your own self righteous church to go along with your self righteous nationalism.... as false skeptics love their country and love their religion for they are ONE. Your religion is self righteousness.

No, I don't see.

Most of us posting in this thread do not have self-righteous attitudes. Most of us have points of views we are willing to discuss, contrast and compare amidst objective evidence supporting those views. The most notable exception to "most of us" would be the self-righteous repeatedly proven liar and repeatedly proven false prophet, Davidjayjordan.

You are a fraud, Davidjayjordan. Why should we place any credence in your remarks?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Isa 65:2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way [that was] not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

Isa 65:4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable [things is in] their vessels;

Isa 65:5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These [are] a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

See guys, because of your self righteous attitude in being better and wiser than the Lord, you have formed your own self righteous church to go along with your self righteous nationalism.... as false skeptics love their country and love their religion for they are ONE. Your religion is self righteousness.

Right. God's gonna get me for eating pork chops and picking on David Jay Jordan. Give me a break. I'm sorry David but you have failed in your attempts to present yourself as a holy prophet chosen by God to deliver his message. The evidence you've provided to support your claims is riddled with faults and errors. But you refuse to acknowledge these problems and get angry with us for pointing them out to us. If you really want people to validate your fantasies about yourself then I suggest you go find some morons.

 

[Glen.Nogami]

Isa 65:2I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way [that was] not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

Isa 65:4Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable [things is in] their vessels;

Isa 65:5Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These [are] a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

See guys, because of your self righteous attitude in being better and wiser than the Lord, you have formed your own self righteous church to go along with your self righteous nationalism.... as false skeptics love their country and love their religion for they are ONE. Your religion is self righteousness.

Oh, no, more Bible citations.

I am whelmed by the raging tide of torrential evidence.

Looks like you win, Dave.

Seriously, man, thanks. This thread brightens my day, every day.

 

[RandFan]

See guys, because of your self righteous attitude in being better and wiser than the Lord, you have formed your own self righteous church to go along with your self righteous nationalism.... as false skeptics love their country and love their religion for they are ONE. Your religion is self righteousness.

Blah blah blah.

If there is a god it isn't the megalomaniacal egomaniac detailed in the Old Testament.

I wouldn't pay any attention to that BS if I were you. It's just a justification for people living in the stone age to murder children, to be misogynistic, infanticidal, incestual, homicidal and to own slaves.

No thanks Djj, I think we can do much better. Keep your ancient proscriptions for morality. We've moved beyond stoning.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Oh, no, more Bible citations.

I am whelmed by the raging tide of torrential evidence.

Looks like you win, Dave.

Seriously, man, thanks. This thread brightens my day, every day.

You're welcome Glen !!!

As Prophecy is the direct word of God, and if properly applied can describe ceratin human motivations exactly and principles exactly.

So Yea, Glen, the Lord wins and if you don;t get with the program you will lose... as you do have to choose.

Sorry, I know you are not used to choosing or making decisions and finding truths, but it is REQUIRED.

You might as well start now.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

JREF is a church. And it does stop people from thinking and turns them into mindless groupies.

But I am not allowed to say this blatant truth... or at least start a thread concerning this.

 

[bruto]

JREF is a church. And it does stop people from thinking and turns them into mindless groupies.

But I am not allowed to say this blatant truth... or at least start a thread concerning this.

Oh poor you.

So if, according to you, atheism is a church, Darwinism is a church, JREF is a church, rejection of all religion and all churches is a church, what the hell in this world of yours is not a church? Are you all alone?

 

[dglas]

For Djj, anything that might threaten to put constraints on his private little fantasy realm is a "church." Anyone who might suggest that something he wants might not be true is a "groupie." You see, Djj sees himself as the be-all and end-all of the world, the ultimate arbiter of truth and falsity, the judge of all the earth.

He is perfectly lost in his delusions and with nothing outside himself to check his flights of fancy, he thinks he has come across some sort of profound truth. He doesn't understand that if no one can prove you wrong, it does not mean you are right. Your claims just might be meaningless - as are his.

He wants to drag us all down into the quagmire of his little empire of fluff, but it's not going to happen. So he derides us for not being so easily manipulated. Without anything at all to back up anything he says, he has nothing else left.

Humanity fought its way out of that wet paper bag already. Join us when the mood hits...

 

[D'rok]

Actually, David, my avatar shows Rutger Hauer portraying Roy Batty. A 'replicant' human being constructed by man to serve our purposes whom rebels against his enslavers and seeks to confront his creator in a bid for more life but in finding his effort in vain murders said creator with great remorse. He's seen beauty beyond human experience and is more 'human' than any of us yet in the end he realizes the futility of his violence and consigns himself to his brief mortality, offering us a glimpse of our own in the process.

I only made it to page 2 of this thread before my brain started turning to pablum and oozing out of my ears, but I have to say...nice little summary of Bladerunner kitakaze!

 

[strathmeyer]

JREF is a church. And it does stop people from thinking and turns them into mindless groupies.

But I am not allowed to say this blatant truth... or at least start a thread concerning this.

But... if you're not allowed to say it... then how did you just say it? Could it be... that you just want to say something but don't want to have to back it up or answer any follow up questions? Gasp! No! It couldn't be!

Davidjayjorday, you keep saying that the JREF is a church. Then how do I join? I really want to know, because I'm really sad and lonely, and really want to be part of something! Please explain to me how to join this church! I'm really excited!

I just came to the sad realization that Davidjayjordan has more posts than me.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

But... if you're not allowed to say it... then how did you just say it? Could it be... that you just want to say something but don't want to have to back it up or answer any follow up questions? Gasp! No! It couldn't be!

Davidjayjorday, you keep saying that the JREF is a church. Then how do I join? I really want to know, because I'm really sad and lonely, and really want to be part of something! Please explain to me how to join this church! I'm really excited!

.

Just join as a member and you can be slowly converted or if really naive and needy of self esteem and a group, then you convert instantly and start saying all the right things instantly.

A religious belief can come in all shapes and forms, and worship all kinds of gods, including themselves as gods.

You have to understand principles to get true discernment rather than just looking at the superficial.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

For Djj, anything that might threaten to put constraints on his private little fantasy realm is a "church." Anyone who might suggest that something he wants might not be true is a "groupie." You see, Djj sees himself as the be-all and end-all of the world, the ultimate arbiter of truth and falsity, the judge of all the earth.

He is perfectly lost in his delusions and with nothing outside himself to check his flights of fancy, he thinks he has come across some sort of profound truth. He doesn't understand that if no one can prove you wrong, it does not mean you are right. Your claims just might be meaningless - as are his.

He wants to drag us all down into the quagmire of his little empire of fluff, but it's not going to happen. So he derides us for not being so easily manipulated. Without anything at all to back up anything he says, he has nothing else left.

Humanity fought its way out of that wet paper bag already. Join us when the mood hits...

Actually I want you guys and gals to get the courage to stand up for something rather than nothing. get indepenadant and become free thinkers, who take back their lives and get real in the real world. Then you will get serious rather that flippant and foolish, and then you have a much better chance of discerning truths and lies, uncovering conspiracies, and making progress.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Actually I want you guys and gals to get the courage to stand up for something rather than nothing. get indepenadant and become free thinkers, who take back their lives and get real in the real world.

By agreeing with everything you've stated, no matter how unsupported by reality?

Then you will get serious rather that flippant and foolish, and then you have a much better chance of discerning truths and lies, uncovering conspiracies, and making progress.

We've uncovered the truth that the claims on your website are dependent on numerous falsehoods. I think we've made much progress toward the truth about your claims.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Actually I want you guys and gals to get the courage to stand up for something rather than nothing. get indepenadant and become free thinkers, who take back their lives and get real in the real world. Then you will get serious rather that flippant and foolish, and then you have a much better chance of discerning truths and lies, uncovering conspiracies, and making progress.

Oh, and speaking of courage: Would you be willing to defend yourself here?

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I basically only post on my own threads, even though they get deleted into oblivion when I have proven my point.

But you guys and gals, brethren or non-brethren are allowed to post whatever you want, even as you mock the messenger in a whole post.
My replies over and over and over again are on the appropriate threads I have started.

Why do you want me to repeat over and over and over again what has already been written. If I said it ten times would you learn on the tenth.

It seems unlikely.

Now back to why your churches are so dangerous !!!

 

[Athyrio]

I basically only post on my own threads, even though they get deleted into oblivion when I have proven my point.

Does this mean that your threads that have not been "deleted" and still remain are the ones in which you have not proven a point?

 

[Foster Zygote]

I basically only post on my own threads...

So why have you ignored this question when it was asked in your prophecy timeline challenge and Iran war in prophecy threads? You've had no trouble posting in other threads in the past. I think the problem of your failed prophecy makes you extremely uncomfortable. Really David, if you are going to question the honesty and intellectual courage of others you should be willing to address your own failures.

 

[Sceptic Realist]

Just join as a member and you can be slowly converted or if really naive and needy of self esteem and a group, then you convert instantly and start saying all the right things instantly.

If I understand your flawed grammar correctly, you're trying to say that this site can manipulate its members insidiously so that they can be slowly brainwashed into the "religion" of this forum.

And if that interpretation is correct, you're full of it.

Every last member that I've seen so far not only has differing viewpoints, they are here to consider possibilities, to open themselves up to new ideas, and to consider what everyone has to say. We come to this forum to be enlightened, to debate intelligently, to share viewpoints. You are here to try and prove that you're a prophet, to claim that you are right and no one else is, and you refuse to take responsability when you are wrong. Sorry, Dave, but if anyone on this forum is "brainwashed", it's you.

 

[dglas]

Actually I want you guys and gals to get the courage to stand up for something rather than nothing. get indepenadant and become free thinkers, who take back their lives and get real in the real world. Then you will get serious rather that flippant and foolish, and then you have a much better chance of discerning truths and lies, uncovering conspiracies, and making progress.

I am standing up for something, Djj. I am standing up for humanity. Living, breathing, loving human beings. Warts and all, they are still whole orders of magnitude better than any god, because they are real.

And, yes, sometimes they won't always say what you want them to - unlike the voice in your head. That makes them unacceptably dangerous to little emotional cowards like you. Go confess your sins to a tree. It won't condemn you either, just like the voice in your head. You are morally and intellectually corrupt - to the core.

Humans are not mere cogs in dogmatic machines. Nor are they pawns in the meaningless little self-serving drama going on in your head. I find you to be most deplorable and comtemptable. You sold your humanity for the cheapest of all prices - a self-important idea. And you would rather see everyone die that let anything like reality intrude into your twisted little fantasy world.

I stand against monsters who want to treat humanity as expendable, monsters who want to drive us back into that medieval quagmire of horror, stagnation, poverty and death. Monsters who think philospophies are more important that people. Monsters like you.

Never again!

dglas... please don't personalize the argument.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jmercer

 

[Davidjayjordan]

If I understand your flawed grammar correctly, you're trying to say that this site can manipulate its members insidiously so that they can be slowly brainwashed into the "religion" of this forum.

And if that interpretation is correct, you're full of it.

Every last member that I've seen so far not only has differing viewpoints, they are here to consider possibilities, to open themselves up to new ideas, and to consider what everyone has to say. We come to this forum to be enlightened, to debate intelligently, to share viewpoints. You are here to try and prove that you're a prophet, to claim that you are right and no one else is, and you refuse to take responsability when you are wrong. Sorry, Dave, but if anyone on this forum is "brainwashed", it's you.

Sorry Sceptic, you have to learn to discern first between true skeptici9sm and searching for truths and with FALSE skepticism where all truths are denied.

I can not start a thread about the mtoivation of JREF and its Modus operandi , as I would be suspended for starting a discussion on this. I tried a simplier one anti-conspiracy theorists are groupies and even that easily won discussion was stopped and negated and CLOSED.

So study that and you will see, there is a POINT HERE. There is a reason d'etre for this FORUM. It is not for free thinking but for the reverse. It has a justification for its formastion and it is not just to give ACTEVOATH....ists a nice group to support each others FAITHS.

But I can not elaborate or otherwise I will get banned. Even repeated this small truth, 'anti-conspiracy theorists are groupies' could get me banned.

Those weak in the faith can;t handle certain topics and discussions as it would devastate the congregations lack of experience and lack of faith in their false skepticism. Do you understand.