Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Giordano]

The US/UK government/CDC/FDA/GMC damage control step 1 is to say nothing is wrong, go about your business.

GMC? General Motors Corp? Gay Men's Chorus? Sorry, you lost me on the last one...

Edit: got it: General Medical Council, right?

My God, what an evil, multinational, coordinated conspiracy it must be! And that doesn't even include the millions of private doctors, state, and non- government researchers. And not one human being, not one, among them willing to speak out and crumble the conspiracy! Horrors!

 

[Clayton Moore]

They did try the experiment and autism increased when MMR was banned:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7076-autism-rises-despite-mmr-ban-in-japan.html

Don't you remember: this was brought up in this very thread quite a few times already. Isn't this the test you are proposing? And the result: MMR doesn't cause autism.

It didn't say whether the 3 single vaccines were given in one visit.

 

[Giordano]

There is no way in purgatory that the US government doesn't know what caused GWS. The same type cover-up has taken place with infant/toddler autism victims for over 30 years.

They say parents aren't qualified to link their child's autism with the child's MMR jab.
They said for over 30 years they couldn't figure out the cause of infant/toddler autism.



They said, at first, the GWS victims were malingerers.
They still say they can't figure out the cause of GWS.

These arguments of yours seem vaguely familiar. Oh yes, you've brought them up over and overage over again, and people have pointed out why you were incorrect, We just had the whole "parents seeing autism in their kids after vaccination" discussion yet again. If you think that you are, in fact correct on one or more of these discredited issues, the next step would be for you to provide new evidence in support of your side. Otherwise you've just run out of things to say.

 

[Giordano]

It didn't say whether the 3 single vaccines were given in one visit.

Look it up yourself.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Look it up yourself.

You supplied the link. It didn't mention whether or not the jabs were given in one visit. You look it up.

 

[Clayton Moore]

GMC? General Motors Corp? Gay Men's Chorus? Sorry, you lost me on the last one...

http://audioboo.fm/GMC-UK

 

[zooterkin]

http://audioboo.fm/GMC-UK

What a bizarre way to explain. If you're going to give link, rather than simply state what you meant, why the link to their audioboo page rather than their home page or wikipedia entry?

 

[Clayton Moore]

What a bizarre way to explain. If you're going to give link, rather than simply state what you meant, why the link to their audioboo page rather than their home page or wikipedia entry?

And miss an opportunity to audio boo?

 

[pakeha]

You should read up on the we can't figure out what caused the GWS. Especially the part where it mentions many of the GWS victims were never even deployed to the Gulf area. Then read about the horrors servicemen have suffered after receiving anthrax vaccine shots.


Then read this gem.

Feds To Test Anthrax Shot on Kids: U.S. panel backs anthrax experiments on children - See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2...nthrax-vaccine-children/#sthash.zoreAb6h.dpuf



What kind of government/medical community would even think of doing that?

Could you give us some follow-up on that project, please?

 

[dafydd]

And miss an opportunity to audio boo?

So you are never going to present the evidence of a link between vaccination and autism.

 

[Clayton Moore]

So you are never going to present the evidence of a link between vaccination and autism.

I have many times. Review the thread.

You'll see you've made the same request about 40 times.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Could you give us some follow-up on that project, please?

I'm very busy. Could you do that?

 

[Dcdrac]

We have all reviewed the thread and you have provided no VALID evidence whatsoever for a link between MMR and Autism

 

[pakeha]

I'm very busy. Could you do that?

Of course you're very busy, CM, of course you are.

The references to this project were made by you and of course you've followed up on what obviously is important to you.
Why not share what you've done by way of follow-up?

 

[r-j]

It's easy enough to see how bad communication happens. I stated clearly what I thought

When a new disease or condition or malady pops up out of thin air, unlike anything known in the history of medicine, you can be sure it a human caused disease.

and it gets turned into

Hmmmm, so HIV and the lyme's disease bacteria were created by humans?

Of course it might be a malicious bit of misdirection, but I doubt it. Even so, it might help if we all learn that Lyme disease is just a new name for erythema migrans, which was known about for a long time. And HIV, like SV40, no matter which theory you believe in, was introduced into the worlds population by human activities.

It certainly matches what I said. When something new, unlike anything known in the history of medicine, just appears if you will, you can be sure it was because of human activities. Be it smallpox raging through the new world, or some tropical death showing up in New York city, it's people causing it.

The CT is that "things just happen", which is of no small comfort, especially if the persons responsible might end up in court.

 

[r-j]

The link between sudden onset autism and the MMR vaccine is obvious and abundant.

 

[Dcdrac]

The link between sudden onset autism and the MMR vaccine is obvious and abundant.

Your evidence for this?

where has sudden onset autism ever been recorded and studied?

What research has been carried out into this and what papers published?

 

[Chris Haynes]

Why bother with single vaccines that would prove the MMR dangerous?

What evidence did Wakefield have to suggest single vaccines? It was not in his Lancet paper.

It didn't say whether the 3 single vaccines were given in one visit.

Actually the completely stopped giving any version of measles and mumps.

I have many times. Review the thread..

The link between sudden onset autism and the MMR vaccine is obvious and abundant.

The MMR vaccine was introduced in the USA in 1971. So if there is an obvious and abundant evidence that it causes autism there would be some from the 1970s and 1980s. Please present the scientific documentation dated before the 1990s.

 

[Estellea]

You supplied the link. It didn't mention whether or not the jabs were given in one visit. You look it up.

It's easy enough to see how bad communication happens. I stated clearly what I thought
and it gets turned into Of course it might be a malicious bit of misdirection, but I doubt it. Even so, it might help if we all learn that Lyme disease is just a new name for erythema migrans, which was known about for a long time. And HIV, like SV40, no matter which theory you believe in, was introduced into the worlds population by human activities.

Erythema migrans is a symptom of Lyme Disease experienced by a small percentage of those infected with B. burgdorferi, not a re-naming of the disease.

It certainly matches what I said. When something new, unlike anything known in the history of medicine, just appears if you will, you can be sure it was because of human activities. Be it smallpox raging through the new world, or some tropical death showing up in New York city, it's people causing it.

The CT is that "things just happen", which is of no small comfort, especially if the persons responsible might end up in court.

What exactly do you mean by "human activities" as it relates to autism? You seem to be dancing around what you really want to say. Autism isn't something new and unlike anything known in the history of medicine. Cases have been described in very ancient texts. It may be unknown to you as it pertains to your own special time-scale, but not to others.

The link between sudden onset autism and the MMR vaccine is obvious and abundant.

And here we go! Perhaps you would like to help Clayton out then. What is so "obvious" that hasn't been investigated and found to be a dead end? There are many claims that are "obvious and abundant"; appeals to popularity don't make them true.

Este

 

[dafydd]

I have many times. Review the thread.

You'll see you've made the same request about 40 times.

Others have made then request too and you have still to post some peer reviewed evidence. If you don't have any then just say so.