Merged Trump shot in PA??

[Paul2]

What disturbs me many people hear "Trump is a threat to democracy" as a clear call to violence. Yet, it seems to only be the Trump supporters who hear it that way.

Regular folks hear that and think that it is a call to vote, to organize and help campaign or get more voters registered, to donate, todo many things.

But not go straight to violence.

And it really is weird to hear so many Trump supporters interpret it the way they do.

There is a rhetorical and propagandistic advantage. Strawman the opposition into something horrible, and starting with a sliver of a fragment of a crumb of truth at the Planck scale is standard procedure.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I think the shooter's primary political ideology was "mass shooter".
He wanted to go down shooting and get into the history books. This was his chance. He took it.

Being registered as a Repub is a red herring.

 

[Paul2]

The Democrat party is still the party of Bill Clinton, unless I'm mistaken. Sexual Morality is a box you shouldn't be standing on. As I recall Biden has had accusers of sexual misconduct as well.

I have never claimed Trump to be virtuous or pure. I never will. He's not. I'm not interested in Trump "the man", I'm interested in Trump "the President" and his economic policies.

Every single U.S. president who has ever served in office has been [check notes] a flawed human being, like the rest of us. Politicians especially have to make sausage, which isn't a pretty process. Furthermore, a significant portion of people who enter a profession in which power is exercised are people who like to exercise power (go figure). And power corrupts.

But that doesn't mean that all politicians are equally flawed as people or as politicians. I can grant you support of Trump for the policies you believe in, but at some point the list of a politician's flaws overrides the policy congruence. And Trump's list is pretty spectacular.

 

[Segnosaur]

The Democrat party is still the party of Bill Clinton, unless I'm mistaken. Sexual Morality is a box you shouldn't be standing on.

But here is the difference...

The republican party as a whole claim to be the party of "family values". They (and the white evangelical supporters) push for the idea of the nuclear family.

The Democrats and their supporters don't really have the same mentality.

Thus, things like infidelity by a republican is more significant because it involves a high degree of hypocrisy.

I have never claimed Trump to be virtuous or pure. I never will. He's not. I'm not interested in Trump "the man", I'm interested in Trump "the President" and his economic policies.

Yea, those policies suck too.

Unless you like yourself some rising fiscal deficits, decreased GDP growth, and increased trade deficits.

Those in the US living paycheck to paycheck are currently suffering, even if you're not.

And they will suffer more because Trump and the republicans made their tax cuts that target the lower/middle class temporary, and those that benefit the wealthy permanent.

Look at all those people suffer as they end up paying more taxes because of republicans. Why won't biden do something? Well he would but republicans don't want to put more of the tax burden onto the wealthy. But its somehow Biden's fault.

 

[Bogative]

This quote is from the widow of Corey Comperatore, the volunteer firefighter killed at the trump rally. It shows you the mindset of the magamutts and it is terrible. The family wouldn't accept a call from the President of the United States?

Families and victims of the Walmart mass shooting in El Paso, Texas refused a visit from the president in 2019. They were celebrated as heroes by the left. How concerned were you about their mindset?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/08/politics/trump-el-paso-victims-hospital-visit/index.html

 

[thaiboxerken]

Why make excuses for her? She said her husband was a "devout Republican" and he "wouldn't have wanted her to" speak with Biden.

And Trump didn't want to speak to her. Yet she'll still vote for him.

 

[thaiboxerken]

There is a rhetorical and propagandistic advantage. Strawman the opposition into something horrible, and starting with a sliver of a fragment of a crumb of truth at the Planck scale is standard procedure.

Also, every accusation of theirs is a confession. They are the cult that calls for political violence, they lionize killers and celebrate death and violence. There is so much evidence to support these facts.

 

[Segnosaur]

This quote is from the widow of Corey Comperatore, the volunteer firefighter killed at the trump rally. It shows you the mindset of the magamutts and it is terrible. The family wouldn't accept a call from the President of the United States?

Families and victims of the Walmart mass shooting in El Paso, Texas refused a visit from the president in 2019. They were celebrated as heroes by the left. How concerned were you about their mindset?

There are a couple of key differences.

First of all, the republicans have been the ones fighting against gun regulations. And their current fuhrer, Stubby McBonespurs, has openly called for violence in the past (such as suggesting "second amendment people" can do something about Clinton, or telling his supporters to beat up protestors and he will "pay their legal bills".

As such, the shooting victims would (rightly) see a visit from a republican president as a visit from the person who was largely responsible for causing harm in the first place. "We are sorry we actually made the situation worse. But we are offering our thoughts and prayers. That's as good as actually doing something, isn't it?"

By comparison, Biden and the democrats have NOT fought against gun regulations. Nor have they openly supported violence.

Secondly, Trump's public appearances have shown him to be a complete and utter buffoon. (Like making racist jokes at a gathering of native american veterans, or telling inappropriate stories to a boy scout gathering.) It would be understandable that people might not want to be associated with Trump, since he is just as likely to turn what should be a somber occasion into a political event.

By comparison, Biden has no such reputation for going off the rails. (He is elderly, and his stutter does occasionally cause him to trip up, but he is more than capable of holding a short phone conversation with a grieving family.)

 

[Bogative]

Oh Jesus F Christ!

I'm old enough to remember when the left-wing went full ******* retard because Sarah Palin's PAC had crosshairs targeting Gifford's state, along with several others, on campaign literature.

Funny how standards change.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Indeed.

What Crooks did is exactly what Republicans have been saying for decades Every True American has the Right, nay Obligation to do when the Government becomes tyrannical.
The only thing he did wrong was target a Republicans instead of a Democrat.

 

[Bogative]

There are a couple of key differences.

First of all, the republicans have been the ones fighting against gun regulations. And their current fuhrer, Stubby McBonespurs, has openly called for violence in the past (such as suggesting "second amendment people" can do something about Clinton, or telling his supporters to beat up protestors and he will "pay their legal bills".

As such, the shooting victims would (rightly) see a visit from a republican president as a visit from the person who was largely responsible for causing harm in the first place. "We are sorry we actually made the situation worse. But we are offering our thoughts and prayers. That's as good as actually doing something, isn't it?"

By comparison, Biden and the democrats have NOT fought against gun regulations. Nor have they openly supported violence.

Secondly, Trump's public appearances have shown him to be a complete and utter buffoon. (Like making racist jokes at a gathering of native american veterans, or telling inappropriate stories to a boy scout gathering.) It would be understandable that people might not want to be associated with Trump, since he is just as likely to turn what should be a somber occasion into a political event.

By comparison, Biden has no such reputation for going off the rails. (He is elderly, and his stutter does occasionally cause him to trip up, but he is more than capable of holding a short phone conversation with a grieving family.)

It would've been a lot easier to type "Republicans bad, Democrats good."

 

[Segnosaur]

It would've been a lot easier to type "Republicans bad, Democrats good."

Please point out anything that I have said that was inaccurate.

 

[Bogative]

Maybe Trump will start a charity for her,

He did, over 2 days ago. Shocking that you don't know this. :Sarcasm:
Over $4.8 million raised already.

if all Trump's supporters kick in a few dollars he might pass on enough for her to buy a pizza.

Clownish.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Please point out anything that I have said that was inaccurate.

It's only wrong if a Democrat does it.

Of course, they are totally ignoring the fact that the shooter was a Republican. We all know that Biden has a lot of influence with Republicans...

 

[Bogative]

It's only wrong if a Democrat does it.

Of course, they are totally ignoring the fact that the shooter was a Republican. We all know that Biden has a lot of influence with Republicans...

Wait, what? I've been told multiple times on this forum that the political affiliation of mass shooters is irrelevant. Oh, never mind, I understand why it is for this shooting.

 

[Bogative]

Please point out anything that I have said that was inaccurate.

"And their current fuhrer, Stubby McBonespurs"

Nothing you say can be taken seriously.

 

[Andy_Ross]

He did, over 2 days ago. Shocking that you don't know this. :Sarcasm:
Over $4.8 million raised already.

Clownish.

You are right, he only steals money from his cancer charity

 

[Andy_Ross]

"And their current fuhrer, Stubby McBonespurs"

Nothing you say can be taken seriously.

His own VP candidate said he's the American Hitler.

 

[thaiboxerken]

His own VP candidate said he's the American Hitler.

To be fair, that's what Republicans want.

 

[Ziggurat]

Of course, they are totally ignoring the fact that the shooter was a Republican.

He was registered as a Republican. But was he a conservative? Was he a progressive? Was he simply crazy, with a though pattern that doesn't even correspond to our political divides? Nobody knows at this point, and his party registration doesn't really tell you.

But I will point out that when Giffords was shot, people on the left immediately jumped to blaming Palin, even though it turned out that the shooter was completely insane and shot Giffords because he thought that grammar was a mind control conspiracy. It had nothing to do with anything one could describe as politics. Did you denounce those baseless accusations? Did you believe them?