Trump immigrant family separation policy

[Baylor]

You have still failed to explain why a 1 year old child has to represent themselves in an immigration hearing.

Why don't you read and find out? https://www.justice.gov/eoir/file/852516/download

Or would that spoil your feigned outrage you were craving?

 

[Border Reiver]

A lot. The administration is trying to find a legal solution to the problems previous administrations ignored.

Your previous diatribe on not finding bodies in the desert, etc. has no bearing on the appropriateness of a 1 year old having to represent themselves in a hearing.

If you believe that it does, I would ask that you explain your reasoning.

 

[Baylor]

there's also the lie of 'previous administrations ignored'.

Amazing how the Obama administration both deported people, and their children! And ignored the immigration issue at the same time.

Whatever fits the conservative narrative at the time, I guess.

It is possible to deport some and not the others (most). But go ahead and guess strangers political affiliations then attack them for your made-up labels.

 

[Baylor]

Your previous diatribe on not finding bodies in the desert, etc. has no bearing on the appropriateness of a 1 year old having to represent themselves in a hearing.

If you believe that it does, I would ask that you explain your reasoning.

Because I wasn't talking about "the appropriateness of a 1 year old having to represent themselves in a hearing." Nice attempt to obfuscate the discussion.

 

[Shalamar]

It is possible to deport some and not the others (most). But go ahead and guess strangers political affiliations then attack them for your made-up labels.

This is.. interesting. because you are actively attacking people for you made up labels. Or is it just feigned outrage you're having?

You still have yet to explain why a 1 year old has to represent themselves in an immigration hearing.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I don't know how you all can't see the obvious. Any criticism of our current deliberately cruel approach to immigration enforcement is support of unconditional surrender to drug cartels and human traffickers and the ending of American sovereignty. There are literally no options other than 100% support of our fine law enforcement officers.

You can't make an omelette without permanently scarring the psyche of a few children.

 

[Baylor]

Childish sarcasm. Be ashamed to be pawn in a game of political football. Be embarrassed you're so easily taken in.

 

[Border Reiver]

Why do you keep asking this? Weird, dude. Stop acting like this is some "gotcha" moment. I'm not an immigration lawyer. My guess is so the judge can decide what to do with the child.



Stop acting like you're interested in immigration law and not looking for an accuse to grandstand.

The US Constitution gives the right to legal representation to all persons within US territory. Especially for minors who lack any sort of legal capacity. Having minors represent themselves in immigration court should be seen as an attack on the rights protected by the US Constitution.

In other words, denying these persons their rights without a sound legally defensible position other than "The government of the US says you should not." is an attack on the rights of ALL persons within the US who may be denied their rights based on an arbitrary classification by the US Government.

 

[ponderingturtle]

The US Constitution gives the right to legal representation to all persons within US territory.

This is not exactly true though. It only gives that right to those charged with felonies. Misdemeanors and non criminal court like immigration are not covered by that.

 

[Border Reiver]

This is not exactly true though. It only gives that right to those charged with felonies. Misdemeanors and non criminal court like immigration are not covered by that.

there are also rules and regulations that require proceedings against minors to be handled differently than those against adults - those seem to be being ignored as well.

 

[WilliamSeger]

No, you're not.

This made me laugh:

Childish sarcasm. Be ashamed to be pawn in a game of political football. Be embarrassed you're so easily taken in.

 

[Baylor]

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. But I feel that way most days now, especially after watching Trump rallies.

Feign outrage to increase your social capital. It's what everyone else is doing.

 

[Stacyhs]

Feign outrage to increase your social capital. It's what everyone else is doing.

My outrage is very real. I'm just not sure yet whether you are "for real" or not.

 

[Baylor]

Can you say exactly what you're mad about?

 

[ponderingturtle]

there are also rules and regulations that require proceedings against minors to be handled differently than those against adults - those seem to be being ignored as well.

I think it is that they do not strictly apply, are those protections for minors on the federal level for example. I mean honestly how else would a minor, especially so young end up in federal court?

All immigrants should have counsel, especially minors, but it doesn't seem to have ever been ruled by the courts or put into law. And I am not sure that past presidents didn't do similar things, though separating young minors is certainly new.

 

[Darat]

Feign outrage to increase your social capital. It's what everyone else is doing.

What social capital are you gaining by feigning outrage here?

 

[LSSBB]

Can you say exactly what you're mad about?

I think he's mad that letting people cross the border brings along sex trafficking and rape victims, so he'd rather have them trapped on the other side of the border with the sex traffickers and rapists.

And he doesn't like being laughed at, so he pretends it doesn't happen.

Oh wait, that's you.

 

[Stacyhs]

Can you say exactly what you're mad about?

Yes.

The attacks on the media being "fake news" whenever it's critical of Trump.
Calling the media "the enemy of the people".
Trump's pathological lying. Over and over and over again.
His stupid "wall".
Separating children from their parents.
The role backs on environmental protection laws.
The denying of Russian interference in our elections.
Trump's childish bullying and name calling.
Trump's behavior and attitude toward women.
Trump's believing Putin over his own intelligence agencies.
His ridiculous cozying up to Kim Jung Un.
His treatment of our allies.
His narcissism.
His incompetency.
His making the office of POTUS a laughing stock around the world.
His incompetency.

This bears repeating: his pathological lying and narcissism.

Need more examples of what I'm angry about?

 

[Aridas]

Interesting to read articles before the manufactured outrage that was engineered June, 2018. Shockingly "skeptics" fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

The conclusions that one can reach when ignoring a bunch of important information are amazing. For example, one can certainly be supportive about wariness regarding human trafficking, while also being outraged by separating kids from their guardians as part of a malicious political ploy that had little to nothing to do with actually addressing human trafficking.

"Skeptics" think they're brilliant for using fanciful language to dance around threats of violence they don't the courage to fully articulate. You cannot allude to threats of violence, terrorism, and assassination without me warning the proper authorities. The authorities will decide if further action is warranted.

And, on actual inspection in this case, it's fairly certain that those authorities will, at best, at you, as you've wasted their time. That's not to deter you from reporting actual dangerous threats, of course, but... paying attention to what you're actually reading is usually important.

When someone really isn't paying much attention to what they're reading, they might, for example, respond to "One 'pro-life' Trump official single-handedly prolonged the detention of hundreds of migrant kids" and the further substance there with something like "I went to Mexico with a pregnant girl once. She was denied a free abortion in custody. Are you outraged?"

'DO NOT SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO THE BORDER. IF THEY DO MAKE, THEY'LL GET SENT BACK!'

How could such a cruel man be president? How did he get elected? How do you defend this barbarism? I can't believe POTUS Donald Trump Barack Obama said this

https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/president-obamas-strong-message-immigrants-24325936

That you seem to think that you have some kind of point there just further highlights how deluded you are about what, exactly, the outrage is about, where it actually exists. Don't worry, that's a common side effect of trusting in right-wing opinion media and their loud and repeated lies and attempts to mislead their consumers. It could, potentially, be cured by actually paying attention to what the people on the so called "left" actually say and not acting like you're psychic to handwave away the things that don't fit your expectations. But why would someone like you do that when it might force you to admit that you've been duped?

https://foxsanantonio.com/news/nati...-up-surprises-in-family-reunification-process

2! Shock! Amazement! And? Incidentally, you are actually undermining your attempt to claim that all those "parents" were actually child traffickers, significantly, by making a big deal about showing evidence that a very low number of the claimed parents aren't biologically parents... but rather were cuckolded.

You doubted and mocked that victim's story.

It's not "possible." It happens. Frequently.

Perhaps the value and nature of pointing out that your source is what shed doubt on the veracity of the story is lost on you so badly that you feel that your source mocked that victim's story?



I get the feeling that you have difficulty understanding that one can firmly support Law and Order while also thoroughly opposing agents of law enforcement breaking and/or subverting the law and the principles that it's meant to uphold, either way, which is what's actually at the root of the current outrage towards ICE.

It is possible to deport some and not the others (most). But go ahead and guess strangers political affiliations then attack them for your made-up labels.

Indeed, you go ahead and use your psychic powers to tell others how they really feel in ways that perfectly match right-wing propaganda and lies and expect not to be treated like you're a right-winger.

What... is this?

Hilarious. Sad, but hilarious.

I think it is that they do not strictly apply, are those protections for minors on the federal level for example. I mean honestly how else would a minor, especially so young end up in federal court?

All immigrants should have counsel, especially minors, but it doesn't seem to have ever been ruled by the courts or put into law. And I am not sure that past presidents didn't do similar things, though separating young minors is certainly new.

Lest we forget, Trump Has Quietly Cut Legal Aid for Migrant Kids Separated from Parents.

 

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