True skeptics are 'conspiracy theorists'

Wrong, your post are still on the forum. Your posts were not deleted, you are not telling the truth.

You should run over to where your posts are, they are just around the corner.

Double speak words don;t count as truths BeachNUT.

The thread was closed, meaning no one can post on them. And it seems if I even mmention the topic of groupies, it also can mean the end of this thread. And if someone agrees with me, they also can be labeled and noted as new sources of deletions. Why because truthers who speak the truth bring down the faith of anti-truthers who prefer untruths.

Notice again, how I didn;t use the obvious opposite word for truth, so you guys and gals wouldn;t get heated up.

For when you get heated up, that also can be used as an EXCUSE to stop a thread.

(SEE Iran War in Religion Section concerning excuses to go to war. Or look at Afghanistan and Iraq and soon Iran, for how 9/11 conspiracy had a motivation from within to provide an EXCUSE to go to war.)

True skeptics look for truths.

False skeptics look for buddies to confirm their untruths.
 
David, seriously, you're wrong. And you're lying more and more. Let it drop.

You're already a laughing stock here, David. A false prophet (proven) AND a liar (proven and reinforced by your recent behavior). Now you're throwing tantrums like a schoolchild caught playing hooky.

I imagine all you're trying to do is get yourself banned so you can fulfill your desired sense of self-righteous indignation... and you're probably coming pretty close to that. But it won't change a thing here, because what you've been saying is blatantly, demonstrably, and provably false.

The general population that engages actively in 'conspiracy theory' belief is undereducated, ignorant, and the very model of 'groupie' that you've espoused. 'Thinking for yourself' is fine up to a point; but there is a point where you are forced to either enroll in a dozen extra college courses, or you have to accept the explanations given by authorities in a given field. And even then, you should accept those explanations that are consistant across the field and are in general accord with other logical principles.

Conspiracy theorists generally do not do this. They refuse to accept that there could be information they are not familiar with or privy to involved in a given event. They refuse to acknowledge that others have the necessary specific training to know what they're talking about more than the CTist.

Skeptics, on the other hand, know their limitations, and know when to challenge an idea, and when to accept the idea provisionally.

Every skeptic analyzes each situation on their own, and comes to their own conclusions. That this leads to most skeptics sounding the same, is due to the fact that all the evidence, applied with proper reason, leads to once conclusion. The conspiracy theorists, on the other hand, look at the same evidence, but apply improper reasoning, poor logic, etc. As a result, conspiracy theorists rarely agree on much of anything, because they are not applying their knowledge - and lack of knowledge - correctly.

You've been blatantly ignoring the posters who have pointed out that they hate Bush, that they would love to see the current administration impeached, that they object strongly to the war in Iraq, etc. - and who also disagree that 9/11 was an inside job. They're certainly not groupies, but they came to the same skeptical conclusion on one point - while disagreeing on others. Group think? Not.

Meanwhile, you fail utterly to apply any skepticism to your own core beliefs - for example, belief in God, in Christ, in the Bible. Although you do not share the most common moral beliefs of your fellow Christians, you are every bit as much a groupie as you accuse skeptics of being.

But you seriously need to grow up, wipe the dust off, and find something new to post about, because this subject of your recent disciplining is over, done, and now doing nothing but embarrassing you.
 
Chill notice how your deletions have now limited the number of posters posting HERE, as it was an attempt to stop the discussion about the difference between true skeptics and false skeptics which the majority now realise and even talk about. It was and is a valid thread.

And the word groupie, is very IMPORTANT and valid because groupies don't think. They are part of a group and having self esteem in the group is what motivates them to write exactly what everyone else does or what the leader wants done.

And as mentioned labeling all truthers, a common phrase used HERE by anti-conspioracy theorists, as thinking the same is your way of describing them as groupies. In other words, you can write something in your way and it is acceptable but if it was originally posted by me, I can NOT write it. I would say that is also unfair.

True skeptics look for answers and truths from words like groupies and try to avoid being one and look to the facts and evidence and preponderance of what can be gleened from cover-ups, look at the histories of governments, look at the bias of the media, etc etc... Truthers are not naive, but are true skeptics.

Will you next ban the word, groupies or false skeptics.

If you really feel that inappropriate moderation has taken place, post a thread in the Management forum.
 
Z, you're seriously ZZZing either that or serriously niave.

But seeing you called me a liar. I assume that I also can NOW use that term. I so delicately avoided using it, because you guys and gals get so heated up if you have to face opposition to your belief system that denies everything irregardless of the evidence.

So Yes, truthers are opposed by liars or those that believe in lies.

For whether a person starts a lie or believes in the lies that others have told, or their governments have told them, it matters not. They all are under the same condemnation.

Denying truths does not free people. Pretending that there are no conspiracies and that the rich and powerful are looking after your best interests is as naive as naive gets. Denials don't free you. Only truths liberate you. Truthers at least look for truths

How simple...... and now Z, you are back to having to decide whether you will honestly search for truths and the uincovering of conspiracies rather than flowing with the current and the pack.
 
Z, you're seriously ZZZing either that or serriously niave.

But seeing you called me a liar. I assume that I also can NOW use that term. I so delicately avoided using it, because you guys and gals get so heated up if you have to face opposition to your belief system that denies everything irregardless of the evidence.

So Yes, truthers are opposed by liars or those that believe in lies.

For whether a person starts a lie or believes in the lies that others have told, or their governments have told them, it matters not. They all are under the same condemnation.

Denying truths does not free people. Pretending that there are no conspiracies and that the rich and powerful are looking after your best interests is as naive as naive gets. Denials don't free you. Only truths liberate you. Truthers at least look for truths

How simple...... and now Z, you are back to having to decide whether you will honestly search for truths and the uincovering of conspiracies rather than flowing with the current and the pack.
You're looking for the Empty Rhetoric forum. It's over here.
 
Z, you're seriously ZZZing either that or serriously niave.

False dichotomy. I could in fact be sleeping AND naive. Or neither... which is the case at the moment.

But seeing you called me a liar. I assume that I also can NOW use that term.

Any poster can use that term, but they'd better be able to back it up. In the case of calling you a liar, you have been proven one now. And your repeated infantile posts recently have reinforced that.

I so delicately avoided using it, because you guys and gals get so heated up if you have to face opposition to your belief system that denies everything irregardless of the evidence.

Strawman... that's not our belief system; that's yours.

So Yes, truthers are opposed by liars or those that believe in lies.

So 9/11 'Truthers' are actually liars... got it.

For whether a person starts a lie or believes in the lies that others have told, or their governments have told them, it matters not.

I agree. Now, can you show us a lie that the government has told, that we have believed?

They all are under the same condemnation.

Lack of credibility, lack of respect...

Denying truths does not free people.

Agreed - like the fact that Christ will never return.

Pretending that there are no conspiracies and that the rich and powerful are looking after your best interests is as naive as naive gets.

Agreed. Can you show us where anyone here has stated either?

In point of fact, the general stance around this forum is that there was a conspiracy - an Islamic conspiracy to bring terror to the heart of Christian-controlled America. And can you demonstrate anywhere here where someone has stated that 'the rich and powerful are looking after your best interests', aside from you?

Denials don't free you. Only truths liberate you. Truthers at least look for truths

But 9/11 'Truthers' don't. They look to confirm their own preconceived notions, denying evidence and truth if it fails to do so.

How simple...... and now Z, you are back to having to decide whether you will honestly search for truths and the uincovering of conspiracies rather than flowing with the current and the pack.

Not really - my decision never changed. I have never run with the current. And my only 'pack' is the numerous product of my loins, the women who bore them, and their other progeny.
 
Chill, anti-conspiracy theorists are fed by the conspirators so obviously they have a bias in thinking about conspiracies.

Circular reasoning.

They don;t want to hite the hand that feds them, this is their underlying motivation and FEAR.

What hands that feeds ? Why do all CTers think that everyone here is from the US ?

They like staying in the group and not rocking the boat.

What group ?

Whoops I used the word group, which is close to groupie... and I can get suspended or deleted for saying anti-conspiracy theorists are groupies. As I ffound out this topic and truth can not be posted or said.

I see you don't understand why your thread was moderated.

It takes hard work rather than denying everything and trusting governments that are based on fear, power and CONTROL.

Ah, yes. I'm sure the US government controls everybody up in Denmark...

Being naive about human nature and the governments nature

Human nature and the government's nature ? Do you think that every human on earth, except you, is evil ? If so, then guess who's naive.

Darn, I slipped again and said that word... groupie. ACT's are groupies when they deny all conspiracies.

Strawman.

Yet when they wake up to ONE, there is a possibility they can wake up to more and more and get discernment and wisdom and courage.

Non sequitur.

And the word groupie, is very IMPORTANT and valid because groupies don't think. They are part of a group and having self esteem in the group is what motivates them to write exactly what everyone else does or what the leader wants done.

By that method of thinking then CTers are ALSO groupies, because you seem to deny the possibility that some or all of us do not correspond to this description of yours.
 
But seeing you called me a liar. I assume that I also can NOW use that term. I so delicately avoided using it, because you guys and gals get so heated up if you have to face opposition to your belief system that denies everything irregardless of the evidence.

What I've noticed since the begining of this thread is that the only thing you've done is whine. Do you have actual evidence to show me wrong on my very certain belief that 9/11 was NOT an inside job ? Can you show me wrong ? If all you're going to answer is "you wouldn't accept the evidence" or "You're brainwashed" or "Look it up for yourself" or something along those lines, don't bother. Instead, say you're sorry and stop lying.

So Yes, truthers are opposed by liars or those that believe in lies.

I believe in no lies. I hate lies. If I could ban lies from the universe, I would. And I WILL, once I rule it. Lies will be punishable by painful death.

There, now.

Denying truths does not free people. Pretending that there are no conspiracies and that the rich and powerful are looking after your best interests is as naive as naive gets.

Strawman, again. Are you making a collection ?
 
But seeing you called me a liar.

You opened the issue. It would probably be in your best interest to drop it as well. Unless you are prepared to name the subject of your degree and the institution that granted you the title. Not to mention the name of the pro basketball team you played for.
 
Double speak words don;t count as truths BeachNUT.

The thread was closed, meaning no one can post on them. And it seems if I even mmention the topic of groupies, it also can mean the end of this thread. And if someone agrees with me, they also can be labeled and noted as new sources of deletions. Why because truthers who speak the truth bring down the faith of anti-truthers who prefer untruths.

Notice again, how I didn;t use the obvious opposite word for truth, so you guys and gals wouldn;t get heated up.

For when you get heated up, that also can be used as an EXCUSE to stop a thread.

(SEE Iran War in Religion Section concerning excuses to go to war. Or look at Afghanistan and Iraq and soon Iran, for how 9/11 conspiracy had a motivation from within to provide an EXCUSE to go to war.)

True skeptics look for truths.

False skeptics look for buddies to confirm their untruths.
Do you support the lies of the 9/11 truth movement proposed by liars who call themselves experts? Why have all truther failed to produce one fact to support their conclusion; and thus, without facts are lies.

Do you have some facts? Facts are required to support the conclusion of the 9/11 truth movement. Since you have no facts and the truth movement never had facts, the movement is made up of lies. Do you understand misleading conclusions are by definition lies, making the 9/11 truth movement just a bunch of liars? I have tried to seek facts from every truther, even the top ones. They failed to produce one fact to support their conclusions and as such remain liars on all things 9/11.

The fact you have no facts to support the truth movement makes your premise wrong.

You are not making any sense on anything yet; please get some better information so you can understand 9/11, and understand facts are required. Get some facts or stop your skeptic lies. All the conspiracy theorist on 9/11 are without facts and make up stories, that is the definition of telling lies. Good job supporting the 9/11 truth movement, and along with them you disrespect all of us by making up lies about 9/11.
 
Gravy, if it was noted, you would be able to add to that knowledge and WHY, there is a slant and a bias HERE. But its truth wants to be forgotten or deleted or passed over quickly or sent into oblivion so as to avoid a discussion of why the vast majority are not truthers but anti-conspiracy theorists.

Notice now I discreetly used the words ACTs rather than the opposite of truthers, so as not to heat up viewers and posters. This hopefully allowing this thread to continue because if ACTs get heated up in frustration, then the thread gets deleted.

Mathematically we could go over that bias, because statistically surveys have at least been made of the number of people who now believe there was some type of conspiracy with 9/11 (which brought on the war for oil in Afghanistan and Iraq, and soon Iran).

So first state the long time truthers, that are now active members in JREF.
Then give a percentage or show a thread that shows groups and mobs of truthers putting down a solitary or a few ACTS believers.

David, I'm going to say this as nicely as I can. You are babbling and making things up. Please take a step back, read your posts slowly, and try to organize your thoughts coherently.

As I said, your opinion of the posters here is noted and will take its place amongst all other opinions. Continuing to state your claims will not advance your argument.

If you'd like examples of groups of truthers trying to "put down" people who base their 9/11 conclusions on evidence, you need look no further than the Loose Change forum, where they simply ban people who disagree with their party line. Hell, the leader there even encouraged someone who said he was going to murder me. Other internet forums show similar intolerance.

Or you can take my example: numerous times at Ground Zero the truthers have physically tried to prevent me from exercising the same freedom of speech that they were exercising. For people who constantly complain the they're being oppressed and that their rights are being abrogated, that's the height of hypocrisy.
 
Now back to discussing why anti-conspiracy theorists are liars. I get censored for saying they are groupies, so let's try liars as apparrently that can be said without any moderator stepping IN.


Are you saying every single one of us that hasn't bought into some conspiracy theory must be a liar? Am I a liar? Who, specifically, are you calling liars?

Please provide evidence in support of your claims?
 
Or you can take my example: numerous times at Ground Zero the truthers have physically tried to prevent me from exercising the same freedom of speech that they were exercising. For people who constantly complain the they're being oppressed and that their rights are being abrogated, that's the height of hypocrisy.

Serves to show that truthers aren't really into this for the principle of freedom and fighting the good fight. They're doing it for the attention.

Kool-aid's on me.
 
Moved a bunch of posts to AAH - when Davidjayjordan returns after his suspension please try to keep "on topic" (whatever that is) or rather a topic that is appropriate for the Conspiracy Theories section of the Forum.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat
 
Darat, this thread is about true skeptics looking for answers whereas false skeptics deny answers and refuse to look for answers. In this way, false skeptics can stick with the status quo and be a great benefit to any government that is lying to their population. They will simply say they are skeptics that have not sufficient proof to NOT BELIEVE the lies their governments compose for distribution.
 
My brand of skepticism isn't interested in wild speculations based on illogical assumptions with no tangible evidence to support it. That is where the liberal CT-ers live, correct?
 
False skeptics: must mean those who make up lies about 9/11, such as beam weapons were used to destroy the WTC; or flight 77 did not hit the pentagon. Those who tell these lies could be called False skeptics, because they refuse to understand facts and evidence and instead make up stuff and tell lies.

Those who debunk the liars from the 9/11 truth movement, are not "true skeptics", they are people who use facts. Not sure what a true skeptic would be since the 9/11 truth movement has no facts to back up the lies they tell why would you need to be a skeptic since it is too easy to see they are telling lies? Therefore you do not have to be a skeptic to see through the lies told by conspiracy theorist on 9/11.

To repeat, the topic statement is false. Conspiracy theorist on 9/11 are just fact less people trying to mislead other. That makes them liars. I mean saying a beam weapon brought down the WTC is a lie. Saying flight 93 was shot down is a lie. Saying flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon is a lie. How many lies does it take to prove the 9/11 truth movement is built on lies told by people with no facts?

I have presented some lies from the truth movement to show the Conspiracy theorist on 9/11 are just people trying to tell lies about 9/11.
 
Darat, this thread is about true skeptics looking for answers whereas false skeptics deny answers and refuse to look for answers. In this way, false skeptics can stick with the status quo and be a great benefit to any government that is lying to their population. They will simply say they are skeptics that have not sufficient proof to NOT BELIEVE the lies their governments compose for distribution.

You are not looking for answers, you are looking for affirmation. Please stop the charade.
 

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