True skeptics are 'conspiracy theorists'

[Paulhoff]

People that are clueless of the logistics that would have been needed in order to do the so-called building demolition job for 9/11 buy into a plot. DJJ has shown that he is clueless about a lot of things and it is never him that has the problem, it is just everyone else who doesn’t agree with him have the so-called problem. He thinks that 432 is a special number, it think that for one speaks volumes.

Paul

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Agreed. I fail to see how that proves that 9/11 was an inside job though.

Amazing that someone would aghree with me, even though it is COMMON SENSE for those that have been even half way round the block. After people get rich, the next step for most is acquiring power, either through their money, management, politics etc.... And the majority get very stingy as more money means more power, so why share or be honest, when honesty does NOT pay in the world.

So how benefited from 9/11 as finding out who benefits from a crime is usually the way to find out who dun-it. Their has to be a motive.

And starting the Afghan War, the Iraq War for oil, and to break the rich hold by the Arab world on what the controling elite want was necessary. And besides, it has now almost destroyed Iraq completely. And so who profited, those that want more power. Who profited in the US, who has gotten the billions or trillions of tax payers money.... the war industries.
Who owns them the rich. Who was borrowed from, banks owned by the rich.

Who will eventually call in the debts to bring down a proud violent country...the RICH and POWERFUL.

And if you think they are un organized again you would be naive.

But what's really interesting is how JREF fits into the whole picture.

 

[Paulhoff]

But what's really interesting is how JREF fits into the whole picture.

No, what is not even interesting is how you think that there is a fit to how you think.

Paul

 

[JonnyFive]

So how benefited from 9/11 as finding out who benefits from a crime is usually the way to find out who dun-it. Their has to be a motive.

And starting the Afghan War, the Iraq War for oil, and to break the rich hold by the Arab world on what the controling elite want was necessary. And besides, it has now almost destroyed Iraq completely. And so who profited, those that want more power. Who profited in the US, who has gotten the billions or trillions of tax payers money.... the war industries.
Who owns them the rich. Who was borrowed from, banks owned by the rich.

Your attempts to bring economics into this problem again only serve to show that you have utterly no comprehension of economics.

Perhaps you would care to enlighten us all: How does spending several hundred billion dollars on a war (and an unpopular war that shows no signs of stopping, at that) make sense to obtain several hundred million dollars of oil? Those billions of dollars are used to pay for, among other things, troops, military equipment, and supplies. Even if you want to claim that all the contractors are in league with the evil government (which, by the way, you haven't proved so much as insinuated without basis), you've failed to account for tens to hundreds of billions of dollars spent on non-service costs.

Also, consider that Afghanistan has nothing to do with the oil industry. The pipeline thing is a myth, plain and simple.

Wouldn't it make more sense to simply steal those billions of dollars from the taxpayers and make up some crap about it?

Ironically, "the rich" (e.g. the owners of major corporations, large stock-holders) didn't benefit at all from 9/11. The terrorist attacks that day were economically ruinous (a bit of hyperbole... but they did hurt the US economy). "The rich" would have been much better off not having the US economy take a nice nose-dive.

But, you're right, we should see who benefitted from 9/11 -

A group of fanatical, anti-Western, religiously motivated terrorists who would like nothing more than to destroy the United States and its allies.

Guess we found out who "dun-it," as you would say.

 

[gumboot]

Perhaps you would care to enlighten us all: How does spending several hundred billion dollars on a war (and an unpopular war that shows no signs of stopping, at that) make sense to obtain several hundred million dollars of oil? Those billions of dollars are used to pay for, among other things, troops, military equipment, and supplies.

A large part of the war's expenditure is, ironically enough, oil. Which is more expensive, because of the war.

-Gumboot

 

[JonnyFive]

A large part of the war's expenditure is, ironically enough, oil. Which is more expensive, because of the war.

That is highly ironic.

Perhaps DJJ is familiar enough with macro-economics to tell us all how a war in a major oil-producing region might effect worldwide prices due to supply-side economic factors.

 

[slyjoe]

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After people get rich, the next step for most is acquiring power, either through their money, management, politics etc.... And the majority get very stingy as more money means more power, so why share or be honest, when honesty does NOT pay in the world.

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Who will eventually call in the debts to bring down a proud violent country...the RICH and POWERFUL.

And if you think they are un organized again you would be naive.

But what's really interesting is how JREF fits into the whole picture.

DJJ, I am interested to hear how you determine who is rich and powerful (can it be rich or powerful, or do you need both). I have been around the block numerous times, and like to think I have common sense, but I don't understand. When does one go from being "non-rich" to being "rich"? Likewise, when does on go from being "non-powerful" to "powerful"?

 

[Belz...]

Once you have been a round the block a few times, you learn human nature, and that the rich and the powerful are always bullies and don;t want to give up their riches nor their power.

You say this as though it proves something.

 

[Belz...]

Amazing that someone would aghree with me, even though it is COMMON SENSE for those that have been even half way round the block. After people get rich, the next step for most is acquiring power, either through their money, management, politics etc.... And the majority get very stingy as more money means more power, so why share or be honest, when honesty does NOT pay in the world.

So how benefited from 9/11 as finding out who benefits from a crime is usually the way to find out who dun-it. Their has to be a motive.

And starting the Afghan War, the Iraq War for oil, and to break the rich hold by the Arab world on what the controling elite want was necessary. And besides, it has now almost destroyed Iraq completely. And so who profited, those that want more power. Who profited in the US, who has gotten the billions or trillions of tax payers money.... the war industries.
Who owns them the rich. Who was borrowed from, banks owned by the rich.

Who will eventually call in the debts to bring down a proud violent country...the RICH and POWERFUL.

And if you think they are un organized again you would be naive.

But what's really interesting is how JREF fits into the whole picture.

Ah, excellent.

Now you have a "theory". And a motive.

All you need now is evidence.

I'll be waiting.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

DJJ, I am interested to hear how you determine who is rich and powerful (can it be rich or powerful, or do you need both). I have been around the block numerous times, and like to think I have common sense, but I don't understand. When does one go from being "non-rich" to being "rich"? Likewise, when does on go from being "non-powerful" to "powerful"?

Dear Sly, because you asked an honest sincere question unlike the majority, allow me to answer you in part as you weill have to prove these things for yourself.

The rich and powerful is a club, because eventually it takes contacts and connections to make it in with the big boys. Research the Club of 300, Roem Club or whatever it is called. research the Illuminati, and study business and find out from personal experience that deals are made behind the scenes and agreements are made, and groups help in these contacts IE Masons etc.. And there are many levels as newbies don;t find out everything til they are sufficiently indocrinated a=or entrenched into the doctrine of power.

So to study it Sly, you have to become one of them, and by then, your heart and mind can be so far gone because you have to lose your conscience, that you may not figure it out, but actually rationalise the religion of materialism and POWER.

But if you want to be shallow and just deny deny deny and believe that anyone can attain anything they want materially and power wise.. so be it.

Nothing I or anyone else can do to change your mind.

 

[beachnut]

Actually you can attain anything you want materially and power wise. I have some friends who worked their way up and have lots of material stuff and they also are nice people. I would think a big yacht is kind of neat, and they worked hard. You can work your way up. I never knew it was a club. I guess the lazy people who can not work their way up or understand why knowledge is important may believe their inability to achieve their goals are due to some imaginary club of rich people keeping them down.

I wonder if Jimmy Carter is in this elite club, and why he helps build houses for the poor. Are there people who can be hard working humans, who are rich and help others who are not doing too well?

Oops, why did my dad have a Masonic Ring? Why is it I attended the same Pilot Training Base as the president? Am I a NWOist, or just a Mason. OMG, I was a boy scout. I was in the church choir. I was flying one day and saw a giant oval silver object just hanging in the sky. This is very funny stuff, am I in the Illuminati, or just an idiot?. Please do not answer the question. Would it be better if I just make up a story like 9/11 truth and say dad was from south Philly so we were in the Mob, was he a hit man?

Did I do something wrong, my dad has a Masonic ring, why am I not materially really rich? What did I do wrong?

Has anyone met someone who seems to of fallen into a pit of cult paranoia and makes up ideas about others which are so far off it defies reality? I was unable to find any drugs to relieve cult paranoia. Any ideas? Yet, we now know, for sure, that true skeptics are, and will be, just true skeptics, if an only if, they met the parameters to be true skeptics.

Skeptically and paradoxically paranoid religious cult fanatics are not capable of labeling true skeptics or identifying them with any accuracy as pointed out by:

M. Neil Browne
Francis Crick
Jonathan Weiner
Dr. L. Abraham Kovoor
Larry Kusche
Tim Callahan
Steve Allen
Carl Sagan
Richard Dawkins
Philip Kitcher
Thomas Paine, 1795
Martin Gardner
Martin Gardner
Leonard Zusne and
Warren Jones
Richard Hofstader
Mike Orkin
Ed Babinski
H. Ruchlis and S. Oddo
John Huizenga
Thomas Kuhn
John F. Schumaker
Peter Angeles.
Willa Appel
Steven Jones
Michael Shermer
Stanton Peele
R.D. Laing
Steven Weinberg
Henry Hazlitt
Kendrick Frazier
C. Dennis McKinsey
Richard Milner
John Horgan
C.E.M. Hansel
Stephen Jay Gould
Tim M. Berra
D. Boening
Joseph Daleiden
Kenneth Miller
Joseph Wheless, 1930
Jay L Garfield.
Peter William Huber
Gavin de Becker
Douglas Hofstadtler
James Frazer
Jeremy Campbell
Elliot S. Valenstein
Robyn Dawes
Penn and Teller
Neil Postman
N. Capaldi
Elaine Showalter
Joseph Wheless, 1926
Freke
Nicholas Humphrey
Howard Kahane
Dietrich Dorner
Joe Nickell
Peter Washington
Edward Dolnick
Philip Wylie
R. Buckman and
K. Sabbagh

And hundreds more can tell us why this thread title is false, as in wrong, not true, etc..

 

[NeoRicen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

 

[Mobyseven]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

The Douglas Adams Infocom game Bureaucracy contains the "Popular Paranoia" newspaper that attracts potential readers with the line "Isn't it time you gave yourself eyes in the back of your head?"

I lol'd.

 

[Corsair 115]

After people get rich, the next step for most is acquiring power, either through their money, management, politics etc.... And the majority get very stingy as more money means more power, so why share or be honest, when honesty does NOT pay in the world.

All of which still has nothing to do with 9/11 being an inside job.

So how benefited from 9/11 as finding out who benefits from a crime is usually the way to find out who dun-it. Their has to be a motive.

Sure. But that's only useful if there's other corroborating evidence to link said person or persons to the crime. Having a suspect who's only evidence against him is motive and nothing else means very little.

Which is why motive is but one small piece and not the entire case.

...the Iraq War for oil...

Oil for whom, may I ask? It certainly isn't for the U.S. considering Iraq supplied 30% less oil to America in 2006 than it did back in 2001. Can you name the top two nations which supplied crude oil to the U.S. in 2006? Here's a hint: these two nations are nowhere near the Middle East. In fact, they're literally right next door to the U.S.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Amazing that someone would aghree with me, even though it is COMMON SENSE for those that have been even half way round the block. After people get rich, the next step for most is acquiring power, either through their money, management, politics etc.... And the majority get very stingy as more money means more power, so why share or be honest, when honesty does NOT pay in the world.

It depends on how you want to be paid.

If all you care about it money and power, then it may not pay to be honest all the time, although it would be necessary some of the time. Otherwise, your reputation would be destroyed, limiting your future money/power potential.

However, if you care more about relationships than money and power, then honesty DOES pay most of the time, although there are times when too much honesty can be hurtful.

I assume from your extreme bitterness towards people with money and power that you fall into the first category. People who care more about relationships do not begrudge others their money and power, but pity them for their social impoverishment.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

No offense, posters, but you don't know human nature, nor have you experienced the economic world and its ilk, nor the political world and its demons of power. You are either bery young or very very willingly ignorant.

True skeptics have either experienced some of these nefarious areas, or have researched it, and been disgusted by power, greed, wealth and the GROUPS that amass it for their members.

Yet the reason it is an indictment against you is that it is able to be found out and you won;t move a muscle or a neuron to discover , what's really happening'. And that's the purpose of JREF.

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[gumboot]

So basically this is all about Davidjayjordan being jealous because he's not rich and powerful?

-Gumboot

 

[Corsair 115]

No offense, posters, but you don't know human nature, nor have you experienced the economic world and its ilk, nor the political world and its demons of power.

Still waiting for what this has to do with proving 9/11 was an inside job.

Incidentally, I'm also still waiting for you to clarify your "Iraq war for oil" comment.

 

[CptColumbo]

No offense, posters, but you don't know human nature, nor have you experienced the economic world and its ilk, nor the political world and its demons of power. You are either bery young or very very willingly ignorant.

Well you are "bery" wrong. The backgrounds of many of the people on the forum may surprise you. I believe the fundamental flaw in your believing the above statement to be true is your inablility to look at the world from another person's perspective. If you were willing and able to see the world through another person's eyes you might see their reasoning and motivations. Only looking at others from the perspective of your own past upbringing is willfull ignorance

True skeptics have either experienced some of these nefarious areas, or have researched it, and been disgusted by power, greed, wealth and the GROUPS that amass it for their members.

What is your proof we haven't?

Yet the reason it is an indictment against you is that it is able to be found out and you won;t move a muscle or a neuron to discover , what's really happening'. And that's the purpose of JREF.

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The actual heading under the banner on the homepage is "an educational resource on the paranormal, pseudoscientific and supernatural." You might want to do some research in other areas of the forum. You'll find people discussing the charlatans who prey upon the weak and innocent for profit (many of them use christianity to do it).

"People are always so anxious to get things out in the open where they can put a name to them, even a meaningless name, so long as it has something of a scientific ring."--Shirley Jackson

 

[JonnyFive]

No offense, posters, but you don't know human nature, nor have you experienced the economic world and its ilk, nor the political world and its demons of power. You are either bery young or very very willingly ignorant.

True skeptics have either experienced some of these nefarious areas, or have researched it, and been disgusted by power, greed, wealth and the GROUPS that amass it for their members.

The more I learn about economics and finance, the more I realize what you're saying is nonsense.

Oh wait, I guess it only works if my "research" causes me to agree with you.