True skeptics are 'conspiracy theorists'

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But I like the Joooooz. They make some damned fine food.

I'm against cultures that can't cook. So far I haven't really found any, outside of Americans in the Northeast - though they cook good seafood, so I can't even say that much.

That's the source of my prejudice - if your people or culture didn't contribute something tasty and scrumptious to the table, I hate you.
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If they don't make good eats, we should eat them. Mmmmmmm... Soylent Green.
 
The Doc said:
It appears that we are all sticking to a 'party line' because we all work on the same facts. We don't have thousands of different organizations with different theories ranging from explosives to UFO's to beam weapons from outer space.

We're unified by facts and evidence. Not by agendas and bad science.
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I think this is another case of projection from the truthers. God knows very few of them are united because of a coherent set of "facts" or "evidence", let alone a coherent "theory".

Ask truthers why they do what they do, and you're much more likely to get a rambling response about how evil Bush, or "the government" in general, is rather than a coherent explanation for their position.

Many of them don't seem capable of realizing that diametrically opposed sides of a "debate" don't necessarily have diametrically opposed reasons for being on their respective side (i.e. "I believe Bush is evil" vs. "I believe Bush is a saint").

This may also explain g4macdad's insistence that gumboot, at least, is a "Bush-Backer".
 
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Has anyone actually gone though something like Loose Change and tried to piece together a coherent theory on the actual events of the day.

I'd say it's impossible, it's just a bunch of rambling nonsense and if you actually tried to piece together a timeline of events based on Loose Change (or any truther evidence) you'd get a contradicting pile of incoherent babble.

For example truthers both like to spout the Mineta testimony and no plane theories at the same time as if to proove something, funny thing is the Mineta testimony fits in perfectly with the official story (just regarding who hit the pentagon and with what) and it contradicts the no plane theories.
 
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I'm still trying to understand what you think skepticism means or what you think the 'Conspiracy' sub-forum is actually for, DavidJay, but by the looks of things, I'd recommend you try your luck at one of Alex Jones' ubiquitious sites. They're not big on evidence or fact-checking either. You'd get a much warmer welcome. Rumour is that many of the creatures that frequent such forums are pretty big on the Jee-Man just like you. I'm sure you'd have much to discuss over tea and scones.

I'm still in hysterics over the "Jesus invented sex" thread. If you can pin-point the words "AstroGlide", "Safe Word" or "Purple Wiggler" in the good book, I'll tip my hat to you and conceed that the Jee-Man did invent sex.
 
Everything I write gets deleted, so what's the point of writing truths.

The moderators have effectively stopped this thread of TRUTH.

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Anti-conspiracy theorists are ........

If these three words are allowed, maybe we can add the missing one. Or it will it be deemed .......
 
PS) Brethren and non brethren...

The CONSPIRACY BOARD is the main board of JREF. Its the one that matters and is the one that is useful for .......
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Everything I write gets deleted, so what's the point of writing truths.

The moderators have effectively stopped this thread of TRUTH.

Its called (...............)
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You see that last post right above this one I have quoted? The one that has a link to the new thread where your posts have been moved to? I have not deleted any of your posts.

Posts which discuss a single particualr instance of moderation (such as the 3 above this one, actually) should always be placed in the Forum Management section, where they can be discussed appropriately.

This thread is free to continue in a discussion of the nature of skepticism versus conspiracy theorism as long as that discussion remains within the bounds of the membership agreement.

To help you get back on track -
I originally thought that conspiracy theory and skepticism were very tightly linked. It seemed to me that the skeptics would be the very people who would question the government and media when any information was issued.

However, I have learned that questioning official reports (or unofficial ones) is something that skeptics do indeed do, but when their concerns are answered they are able to accept that and move on.

Conspiracy theorists seem to devise their alternate theory before examining or questioning any evidence/information/report/whatever, and then tackle the evidence/information...etc from that single perspective, and fitting perceived anomalies into that view. They do not seem to accept when they are wrong, and do not approach the evidence with an open mind to try and determine new answers. They seem to have their answers in mind already, and colour everything else accordingly.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
PS) Brethren and non brethren...

The CONSPIRACY BOARD is the main board of JREF. Its the one that matters and is the one that is useful for .......
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You need to look around the rest of the forum. This is only a subsection of a bigger arena, and many posters in the other subfora have never set foot in the CT board.
 
chillzero said:
You see that last post right above this one I have quoted? The one that has a link to the new thread where your posts have been moved to? I have not deleted any of your posts.

Posts which discuss a single particualr instance of moderation (such as the 3 above this one, actually) should always be placed in the Forum Management section, where they can be discussed appropriately.

This thread is free to continue in a discussion of the nature of skepticism versus conspiracy theorism as long as that discussion remains within the bounds of the membership agreement.

To help you get back on track -
I originally thought that conspiracy theory and skepticism were very tightly linked. It seemed to me that the skeptics would be the very people who would question the government and media when any information was issued.

However, I have learned that questioning official reports (or unofficial ones) is something that skeptics do indeed do, but when their concerns are answered they are able to accept that and move on.

Conspiracy theorists seem to devise their alternate theory before examining or questioning any evidence/information/report/whatever, and then tackle the evidence/information...etc from that single perspective, and fitting perceived anomalies into that view. They do not seem to accept when they are wrong, and do not approach the evidence with an open mind to try and determine new answers. They seem to have their answers in mind already, and colour everything else accordingly.
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Chill, anti-conspiracy theorists are fed by the conspirators so obviously they have a bias in thinking about conspiracies. They don;t want to hite the hand that feds them, this is their underlying motivation and FEAR. They like staying in the group and not rocking the boat.

Whoops I used the word group, which is close to groupie... and I can get suspended or deleted for saying anti-conspiracy theorists are groupies. As I ffound out this topic and truth can not be posted or said.

But check your words aagin Chill, as you grouped all turhters who look for truth into one category, that's labeling and generalizing which does not give you discernment just quick denials.

Discern, Chill, discern every conspiracy and separate truths from lies. It takes hard work rather than denying everything and trusting governments that are based on fear, power and CONTROL.

Being naive about human nature and the governments nature does not help you discern and think as an individual but as a 'groupie'

Darn, I slipped again and said that word... groupie. ACT's are groupies when they deny all conspiracies. Yet when they wake up to ONE, there is a possibility they can wake up to more and more and get discernment and wisdom and courage.
 
chillzero said:
You need to look around the rest of the forum. This is only a subsection of a bigger arena, and many posters in the other subfora have never set foot in the CT board.
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Chill, if there is any topic that would get me banned it is this one, so I will let it go. The discerning would have already seen it and the undescerning would never believe it ever.....

So let's let this ever so important point and purpose of JREF go...
 
DJJ, your opinion about people who post in this subforum is noted. Next.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Everything I write gets deleted, so what's the point of writing truths.

The moderators have effectively stopped this thread of TRUTH.

Its called (...............)
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Wrong, your post are still on the forum. Your posts were not deleted, you are not telling the truth.

You should run over to where your posts are, they are just around the corner.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
But check your words aagin Chill, as you grouped all turhters who look for truth into one category, that's labeling and generalizing which does not give you discernment just quick denials.
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I think if you check my words, I didn't even use the term 'truthers'. I was discussing the difference between skepticism, and conspiracy theorism.

Davidjayjordan said:
Discern, Chill, discern every conspiracy and separate truths from lies. It takes hard work rather than denying everything and trusting governments that are based on fear, power and CONTROL.
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I think that lack of discernment lies with conspriacy theorists, and not with skeptics, as I explained above. I'm not in the USA, and I don't fear my government. I have no reason to feel threatened about anything I may 'discern' regarding 9/11 or any other event which has a conspiracy theory attached.

Please drop the 'groupie' thing - it's getting more than silly.

Let's either keep this thread on track and not continually harp back to the recent culling of posts, or let the thread die quietly.
 
Gravy said:
DJJ, your opinion about people who post in this subforum is noted. Next.
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Gravy, if it was noted, you would be able to add to that knowledge and WHY, there is a slant and a bias HERE. But its truth wants to be forgotten or deleted or passed over quickly or sent into oblivion so as to avoid a discussion of why the vast majority are not truthers but anti-conspiracy theorists.

Notice now I discreetly used the words ACTs rather than the opposite of truthers, so as not to heat up viewers and posters. This hopefully allowing this thread to continue because if ACTs get heated up in frustration, then the thread gets deleted.

Mathematically we could go over that bias, because statistically surveys have at least been made of the number of people who now believe there was some type of conspiracy with 9/11 (which brought on the war for oil in Afghanistan and Iraq, and soon Iran).

So first state the long time truthers, that are now active members in JREF.
Then give a percentage or show a thread that shows groups and mobs of truthers putting down a solitary or a few ACTS believers.
 
chillzero said:
I think if you check my words, I didn't even use the term 'truthers'. I was discussing the difference between skepticism, and conspiracy theorism.



I think that lack of discernment lies with conspriacy theorists, and not with skeptics, as I explained above. I'm not in the USA, and I don't fear my government. I have no reason to feel threatened about anything I may 'discern' regarding 9/11 or any other event which has a conspiracy theory attached.

Please drop the 'groupie' thing - it's getting more than silly.

Let's either keep this thread on track and not continually harp back to the recent culling of posts, or let the thread die quietly.
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Chill notice how your deletions have now limited the number of posters posting HERE, as it was an attempt to stop the discussion about the difference between true skeptics and false skeptics which the majority now realise and even talk about. It was and is a valid thread.

And the word groupie, is very IMPORTANT and valid because groupies don't think. They are part of a group and having self esteem in the group is what motivates them to write exactly what everyone else does or what the leader wants done.

And as mentioned labeling all truthers, a common phrase used HERE by anti-conspioracy theorists, as thinking the same is your way of describing them as groupies. In other words, you can write something in your way and it is acceptable but if it was originally posted by me, I can NOT write it. I would say that is also unfair.

True skeptics look for answers and truths from words like groupies and try to avoid being one and look to the facts and evidence and preponderance of what can be gleened from cover-ups, look at the histories of governments, look at the bias of the media, etc etc... Truthers are not naive, but are true skeptics.

Will you next ban the word, groupies or false skeptics.
 
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