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The Valley of the Wood Apes

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Jodie said:
LOLOL......you are just dying of curiosity. You don't want to believe my stories but,but,but...what if....:p

I was close to the Oklahoma border in Arkansas. If I tell you anymore it will out Painthorse.
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I'd love to believe your story just provide any shred of evidence you've ever been to Qutachia NF...but no you continued the bobbing and weaving.....not unexpected but it's just proving the point that William made ;)
 
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Jodie said:
... however, no Neanderthal ever lived in North America so I don't think you can blame bigfoot on false extinction.

I do think that bigfoot is an archetype left over from when other versions of humans lived together on the planet. It's a cultural memory of some type mixed up in fairy tales about ogres.
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If the Americas contained a habitable environment maybe that is a false conclusion.

Ogres...? And the leviathan turned out to be a giant squid...

I postulate there is truth is mythology.
 
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Cervelo said:
I'd love to believe your story just provide any shred of evidence you've ever been to Qutachia NF...but no you continued the bobbing and weaving.....not unexpected but it's just proving the point that William made ;)
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Suit yourself.
 
King of the Americas said:
If the Americas contained a habitable environment maybe that is a false conclusion.

Ogres...? And the leviathan turned out to be a giant squid...

I postulate there is truth is mythology.
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There could be truth to the ogre myth. It could be a residual cultural memory of when Neanderthals lived in the Northern European countries. To my knowledge the only overlap occurred in the Levant, unless more evidence is found to suggest it happened elsewhere.

I don't think a remnant Neanderthal population lives in the Oklahoma/Arkansas hills. The reason for that, besides them dying out before anyone walked over the Bering Straight land bridge, is there isn't any evidence that Neanderthals ventured more than 5 miles from their home base. They didn't live in big family groups either so if a family happened to make it to Alaska they would have died out long before spreading to the rest of North America.
 
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I've read that many native american indigenous people each have a name for just such a creature-

Ba'wis (Tsimshian Indian Bigfoot)
Boqs (Bella Coola Bigfoot)
Bush Indians (Alaskan Athabaskan Bigfoot)
Chiye-Tanka (Sioux Indian Bigfoot)
Choanito/Night People (Wenatchi Indian Bigfoot)
Hairy Man (Yokuts Indian Bigfoot)
Kohuneje (Maidu Indian Bigfoot)
Lariyin (Dogrib Indian Bigfoot)
Lofa (Chickasaw Indian Bigfoot)
Matah Kagmi (Modoc Indian Bigfoot)
Maxemista (Cheyenne Indian Bigfoot)
Na'in (Gwich'in Indian Bigfoot)
Nakani (Dene Indian Bigfoot)
Nant'ina (Tanaina Indian Bigfoot)
Nik'inla'eena' (Koyukon Indian Bigfoot)
Omah (Hupa Indian Bigfoot)
Sasquatch (Coast Salish Indian Bigfoot)
Seeahtlk (Clallam Indian Bigfoot)
Shampe (Choctaw Indian Bigfoot)
Siatco (Chehalis Indian Bigfoot)
Skookum (Chinook Indian Bigfoot)
Ste-ye-hah'mah (Yakama Indian Bigfoot)
Stick Indians (Northwest Coast Bigfeet)
*The Woodsman (Athabaskan Indian Bigfoot)

One would probably be hard pressed to find a primitive culture that does not contain such characters in their common lore.

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I've also read they were 'hunted' into extinction. Dodos, passenger pigeons, sure, but a humanoid, that can reason, make tools, and flee?

Given the hardy nature of the Neanderthal, is it truly reasonable to believe ALL of their habitat was taken over by the new people on the block?

The selection process that occurred would mean that IF any survived this 'hunt' those left over would have developed an innate fear of the hairless spear chuckers. Surviving would mean they had to be better at un-detection than their predators.

While not likely, I think it is possible that hunting humanoids will eventually yield perfectly camouflaged and elusive survivors.
 
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King of the Americas said:
I've read that many native american indigenous people each have a name for just such a creature-

Ba'wis (Tsimshian Indian Bigfoot)
Boqs (Bella Coola Bigfoot)
Bush Indians (Alaskan Athabaskan Bigfoot)
Chiye-Tanka (Sioux Indian Bigfoot)
Choanito/Night People (Wenatchi Indian Bigfoot)
Hairy Man (Yokuts Indian Bigfoot)
Kohuneje (Maidu Indian Bigfoot)
Lariyin (Dogrib Indian Bigfoot)
Lofa (Chickasaw Indian Bigfoot)
Matah Kagmi (Modoc Indian Bigfoot)
Maxemista (Cheyenne Indian Bigfoot)
Na'in (Gwich'in Indian Bigfoot)
Nakani (Dene Indian Bigfoot)
Nant'ina (Tanaina Indian Bigfoot)
Nik'inla'eena' (Koyukon Indian Bigfoot)
Omah (Hupa Indian Bigfoot)
Sasquatch (Coast Salish Indian Bigfoot)
Seeahtlk (Clallam Indian Bigfoot)
Shampe (Choctaw Indian Bigfoot)
Siatco (Chehalis Indian Bigfoot)
Skookum (Chinook Indian Bigfoot)
Ste-ye-hah'mah (Yakama Indian Bigfoot)
Stick Indians (Northwest Coast Bigfeet)
*The Woodsman (Athabaskan Indian Bigfoot)
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What about wood apes? Your list doesn't have wood apes.
 
King of the Americas said:
I've read that many native american indigenous people each have a name for just such a creature-
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They all seem to have big apemen in their woods. But how could there not be any specimens ever from any tribes? How could there be no specimens from modern times? It makes no sense whatsoever. The only thing that makes any sense (common or scientific) is that these things just weren't really there and aren't here now.

I've often wondered if there was any kind of skepticism within the Native American cultures and tribes. Was there any concept of a fabricated entity which didn't really exist as a real thing?

We see accounts and lists and stories of the various ideas and things in the realm of Native American culture. But I'm not aware of similar compendiums which illustrate what they rejected or denied because of lack of evidence or because it was simply made up bullcrap.

We should talk about this in our thread about Native Americans and Bigfoot.
 
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William Parcher said:
They all seem to have big apemen in their woods. But how could there not be any specimens ever from any tribes? How could there be no specimens from modern times? It makes no sense whatsoever. The only thing that makes any sense (common or scientific) is that these things just weren't really there and aren't here now.

I've often wondered if there was any kind of skepticism within the Native American cultures and tribes. Was there any concept of a fabricated entity which didn't really exist as a real thing?

We see accounts and lists and stories of the various ideas and things in the realm of Native American culture. But I'm not aware of such things which illustrate what they rejected or denied because of lack of evidence or because it was simply made up bullcrap.

We should talk about this in our thread about Native Americans and Bigfoot.
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You're asking me to 'speculate' as to why no bones have been found?

I guess, I'd only point to the selection process employed...

They were hunted, 'tracked,' any evidence left behind would ultimately lead to their demise. Those that survived this process would be equipped to 'disappear' without a trace. Burying their dead, walking only on rocks, or travel through the trees, maybe they dismember their dead, and employed a "never leave anyone behind" mentality?

Did Gigantopithecus ever exist in the Americas?

Pull that other thread up, and I'll post there instead, if you wish?
 
King of the Americas said:
Given the hardy nature of the Neanderthal, is it truly reasonable to believe ALL of their habitat was taken over by the new people on the block?

The selection process that occurred would mean that IF any survived this 'hunt' those left over would have developed an innate fear of the hairless spear chuckers. Surviving would mean they had to be better at un-detection than their predators.

While not likely, I think it is possible that hunting humanoids will eventually yield perfectly camouflaged and elusive survivors.
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They did survive. You can find them in the dark places of the world, like Mordor.
 
Jodie said:
LOLOL......you are just dying of curiosity. You don't want to believe my stories but,but,but...what if....:p

I was close to the Oklahoma border in Arkansas. If I tell you anymore it will out Painthorse.
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Painthorse.....good grief, you sure seem to remember your days at BFF pretty well, I had to look that one up.
By the way even as a banned member you can do a search at BFF, that's what I did found some really interesting stuff!
Painthorse....she's making the exact same silly claim the NAWACKIES are...in fact she would be considered a habitator....she claims Bigfoot hangs around in her backyard on a regular basis. She posted a picture of a bird that she thinks is a baby Bigfoot https://www.flickr.com/photos/paint_horse1/8361079574/
All sorts of spooky noises therefore BIGFEETS just like the NAWACKIES in virtually the same location....do you have the same opinion of her claims?

Got to revisit some interesting stuff during my search..your TV remote issues and disappearing cigarette butts had striking similarities to our discussions here ;)

You had a Bigfoot in your backyard to?

Or just a history of baseless claims regardless of which side of the fence your on.
 
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King of the Americas said:
You're asking me to 'speculate' as to why no bones have been found?

I guess, I'd only point to the selection process employed...

They were hunted, 'tracked,' any evidence left behind would ultimately lead to their demise. Those that survived this process would be equipped to 'disappear' without a trace. Burying their dead, walking only on rocks, or travel through the trees, maybe they dismember their dead, and employed a "never leave anyone behind" mentality?

Did Gigantopithecus ever exist in the Americas?

Pull that other thread up, and I'll post there instead, if you wish?
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You might consider this as well they would love ya!

http://bigfootforums.com
 
Cervelo said:
You might consider this as well they would love ya!

http://bigfootforums.com
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Yeah this guy's got it handled:
MiB said:
I think it comes down to 3 things.
1) In general they are relatively rare so there are not very many dying to find in the first place.

2) Ritual burial - while the scoffing idiots have mostly caused people who see such things not to report it, there are some few reports and the appear credible to the best of my ability to investigate.

3) I do not think sasquatch are alone nearly as often as we think. We see one. Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack applies ... just because we only see one does not mean there aren't others seeing us.

All in all I think very very few die alone, possibly only a couple per year total, and remain laying on the ground such that they're available to "just find." How many people find meteorites? Yet how many fall? And the ones that do fall pretty spectacularly, unlike bigfoot who is pretty secretive.
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Scoff, all you idiots.
 
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