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The Valley of the Wood Apes

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Jodie said:
I never got that she thought it was definitively bigfoot. I'm not faulting her for being conned by BB and that shouldn't take away from her skeptical perspective. We are all human, we all get angry at times, and we all make errors in judgement.
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If you can't tell **** from shinola then it's time to find another hobby. Promoting yourself as some kind of celebrity sceptic is rather redundant and false when you can't even tell when you're being duped by something that is in no way different to the millions of other dupes you've called out as being dupes a million times before.

What's worse is that she was told she was being duped, reacted angrily because she felt her intelligence was being questioned, finally realizing she'd been duped, then backing away slowly to avoid any further embarrassment before carrying on as though nothing had happened. Yeah, that's totally understandable from a person who promotes themselves as a critical thinker.

It'd have looked bad if she'd have admitted to being duped, so she avoided doing that because she has an image and a reputation to uphold on the internet.
 
King of the Americas said:
You're asking me to 'speculate' as to why no bones have been found?

I guess, I'd only point to the selection process employed...

They were hunted, 'tracked,' any evidence left behind would ultimately lead to their demise. Those that survived this process would be equipped to 'disappear' without a trace. Burying their dead, walking only on rocks, or travel through the trees, maybe they dismember their dead, and employed a "never leave anyone behind" mentality?

Did Gigantopithecus ever exist in the Americas?

Pull that other thread up, and I'll post there instead, if you wish?
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It's a case of having to really bend over backwards and attempt to explain everything away using improbable theories.

Hiding tracks and burying the dead, indeed, burying all traces of your existence is time-consuming and impractical. Not only that, but the very nature of Bigfootery is hinged on the fact that the "tracks" are and have been spotted "all over the world," meaning that this species either got lazy, or they wanted to be found.
 
Gilbert Syndrome said:
It's a case of having to really bend over backwards and attempt to explain everything away using improbable theories.

Hiding tracks and burying the dead, indeed, burying all traces of your existence is time-consuming and impractical. Not only that, but the very nature of Bigfootery is hinged on the fact that the "tracks" are and have been spotted "all over the world," meaning that this species either got lazy, or they wanted to be found.
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The hilarious part about tracks....it's the first dead giveaway that they are all fake/misidentification....maybe Bigfoot wears shoes and occasionally frolicked about shoeless.


Pattys feet were flawless, she must have been getting regular pedicures to erase a lifetime of being outdoors or had some great boots....look at those little piggies perfectly lined up!
 
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Gilbert Syndrome said:
I have to disagree with that. She's obviously a fan of the attention, which is why she puts herself on such a public platform to speak her views.
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There has to be a certain amount of extroversion or confidence present to be able to put yourself out there on a continual basis. I'm not certain I would classify that as attention seeking. I find that the attention seeking label gets applied to people who have differing opinions more times than not.
 
Cervelo said:
So do you think Painthouse and her pics/stories are a complete fabrication, just as you do the NAWACKIES?
She's making the exact same claim apparently in virtually the same location.
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I thought the baby bigfoot was some kind of bird or turkey because the game cam pics before and after that pic showed a bird on the ground. The way that particular photo was positioned it made the bird look like a baby with a big head.

The only other photo I ever saw was some kind of man shaped thing that looked like a heat wave. I can't remember what kind of pic it was and I don't know enough about photography to make a guess about what that was or why it looked like thart

I haven't heard anything in six years about her place so I don't know what to think about it. Her activity was more like Sasfooty's, kind of creepy stuff that could be anything, if I remember correctly.
 
Jodie said:
There has to be a certain amount of extroversion or confidence present to be able to put yourself out there on a continual basis. I'm not certain I would classify that as attention seeking. I find that the attention seeking label gets applied to people who have differing opinions more times than not.
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She chooses to put herself out there, nobody asks her to and the world would be unchanged if she chose not to put herself out there. It is most definitely a form of attention-seeking to have yourself, selfie(s) and all, spattered across more than one webpage which you use to tell people your thoughts and theories on silly things such as Bigfoot. I'm not against putting yourself out there, I mean, look at my selfie! But I am against snobbery and fake agendas, and I think Sharon is guilty of both.

My gripe is that she went against her own logic, the logic she feels the need to throw at the masses from her radio show, and never once gave any solid reason for doing so other than to complain when people rightfully questioned her over it, something she would be doing herself if the shoe was on another foot other than hers.
 
Cervelo said:
The hilarious part about tracks....it's the first dead giveaway that they are all fake/misidentification....maybe Bigfoot wears shoes and occasionally frolicked about shoeless.
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Pattys feet were flawless, she must have been getting regular pedicures to erase a lifetime of being outdoors or had some great boots....look at those little piggies perfectly lined up!
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What was Meldrum's reasoning for how Patty's foot looks? Did he have any? That's what's so funny about anyone arguing in favour of the PGF's validity, it's all so obviously silly and flawed.
 
King of the Americas said:
You're asking me to 'speculate' as to why no bones have been found?

I guess, I'd only point to the selection process employed...

They were hunted, 'tracked,' any evidence left behind would ultimately lead to their demise. Those that survived this process would be equipped to 'disappear' without a trace. Burying their dead, walking only on rocks, or travel through the trees, maybe they dismember their dead, and employed a "never leave anyone behind" mentality?

Did Gigantopithecus ever exist in the Americas?

Pull that other thread up, and I'll post there instead, if you wish?
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Even if all of those things took place a bone of some kind would eventually show up. Like I said, ask if any unclaimed human remains have been found in the area in the last 10-15 years.

Edited to add: Look at the figures for what it would take to maintain a breeding population of humans in space. I use that example because we are primates and space would be a finite area like the Ouachitas.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1936-magic-number-for-space-pioneers-calculated/
 
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Jodie said:
I thought the baby bigfoot was some kind of bird or turkey because the game cam pics before and after that pic showed a bird on the ground. The way that particular photo was positioned it made the bird look like a baby with a big head.

The only other photo I ever saw was some kind of man shaped thing that looked like a heat wave. I can't remember what kind of pic it was and I don't know enough about photography to make a guess about what that was or why it looked like thart

I haven't heard anything in six years about her place so I don't know what to think about it. Her activity was more like Sasfooty's, kind of creepy stuff that could be anything, if I remember correctly.
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Do you think Painthorses stories/pics are complete fabrication?
 
Gilbert Syndrome said:
She chooses to put herself out there, nobody asks her to and the world would be unchanged if she chose not to put herself out there. It is most definitely a form of attention-seeking to have yourself, selfie(s) and all, spattered across more than one webpage which you use to tell people your thoughts and theories on silly things such as Bigfoot. I'm not against putting yourself out there, I mean, look at my selfie! But I am against snobbery and fake agendas, and I think Sharon is guilty of both.

My gripe is that she went against her own logic, the logic she feels the need to throw at the masses from her radio show, and never once gave any solid reason for doing so other than to complain when people rightfully questioned her over it, something she would be doing herself if the shoe was on another foot other than hers.
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I disagree that what she does doesn't make a difference. If nothing else it encourages critical thinking whether you agree, disagree, are a fan, or dislike her. That really shouldn't have anything to do with her content.

As I said before, we are fallible human beings and we all make mistakes. It becomes a problem when you don't learn from them. Since she hasn't mentioned NAWAC in 2 years my opinion on that is still out.
 
Cervelo said:
Do you think Painthorses stories/pics are complete fabrication?
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I think it's wishful thinking, similar to my experience. I woke up but I can't speak to her current mind set.
 
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Jodie said:
I disagree that what she does doesn't make a difference. If nothing else it encourages critical thinking whether you agree, disagree, are a fan, or dislike her. That really shouldn't have anything to do with her content.

As I said before, we are fallible human beings and we all make mistakes. It becomes a problem when you don't learn from them. Since she hasn't mentioned NAWAC in 2 years my opinion on that is still out.
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I personally have never been influenced by her or anything she's said, I honestly didn't know her from Adam before reading these threads and seeing her post on the odd occasion. I don't understand what her credentials are supposed to be, nor do I understand why she's even on a radio show, but those aren't necessary things for me to understand.

What I do know is that by calling herself "IDoubtIt" and putting herself across as a sceptical thinker who has a radio show and a website which apparently promote critical thinking, that she's essentially shot herself in the foot by not applying such critical thinking to a hoax which should've been transparent to anyone worth their salt as an online sceptical radio host. I also know that she never explained her stance, and backed away from it rather hastily.

That, to me, is insincere and amateurish, and I'm just a regular bloke online who doesn't pretend to be some cryptic sleuth. If I was promoting myself and my doubtful attitude online, I'd make sure I was a little bit more critical in my thinking.
 
Gilbert Syndrome said:
I personally have never been influenced by her or anything she's said, I honestly didn't know her from Adam before reading these threads and seeing her post on the odd occasion. I don't understand what her credentials are supposed to be, nor do I understand why she's even on a radio show, but those aren't necessary things for me to understand.
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I thought she was simply invested in the topic. She is not religious, maybe she just needs something to believe in and skepticism is it. I don't think you need credentials to be a skeptic. It depends on what she's writing about as to whether I read her blog. I'm not interested in some of the things she writes about.

What I do know is that by calling herself "IDoubtIt" and putting herself across as a sceptical thinker who has a radio show and a website which apparently promote critical thinking, that she's essentially shot herself in the foot by not applying such critical thinking to a hoax which should've been transparent to anyone worth their salt as an online sceptical radio host. I also know that she never explained her stance, and backed away from it rather hastily.
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I think she should have researched her stance more thoroughly rather than relying on BB's professional veneer to make a judgement.

That, to me, is insincere and amateurish, and I'm just a regular bloke online who doesn't pretend to be some cryptic sleuth. If I was promoting myself and my doubtful attitude online, I'd make sure I was a little bit more critical in my thinking.
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I agree, but I don't think she considers herself to be a professional skeptic.
 
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Jodie said:
Ask yourself, does this pertain to Wood Apes? Is this bickering? If it doesn't meet the requirements for Wood Ape discussion then PM me. I'll be happy to discuss it with you.
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Yes it certainly does, and I'm not bickering, just showing new comers to the thread that your comments should be weighted.

Here you are acting like the NAWAC people are acting, or mistaken, and yet you were on the BFF saying you had multiple Bigfoots stealing cigarette butts and walking across fields smoking them.

I think it is critical to show that your comments on the Sharon Hill thing, and the NAWAC project should be tempered by the knowledge that you are one of the lucky ones who has habituated the beasts.
 
Gilbert Syndrome said:
What was Meldrum's reasoning for how Patty's foot looks? Did he have any? That's what's so funny about anyone arguing in favour of the PGF's validity, it's all so obviously silly and flawed.
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I have no idea....considering his background and area of expertise, it's astounding to me he has a job teaching.
 
Jodie said:
I thought she was simply invested in the topic. She is not religious, maybe she just needs something to believe in and skepticism is it. I don't think you need credentials to be a skeptic. It depends on what she's writing about as to whether I read her blog. I'm not interested in some of things she writes about.
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I don't necessarily think anyone needs credentials in order to be a sceptic host on the radio, but my point is that I've never seen anything from her that'd make me think she was any more worth listening to than anyone else who knows more than one name for a Bigfoot.




Jodie said:
I think she should have researched her stance more thoroughly rather than relying on BB's professional veneer to make a judgement.
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That's my point, it's smacks of insincerity when a person promotes themselves as being one thing, but then does something that totally goes against those things for which they apparently stand. It also smacks of arrogance that she chose to bicker with people who rightly questioned her odd stance, and ignorance when she chose to walk away rather than explain why she felt the way she did and/or admit that she made a mistake.

Calling yourself "IDoubtIt" and getting hoodwinked by a known fabricator is just a tad too ironic for me to give her the benefit of the doubt.
 
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