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Cont: The Valley of the Wood Apes, part 2

Gilbert Syndrome said:
And then there's the suspense-building moments just before an ad-break, making it seem like if you stay tuned, you'll be treated to some amazing footage or encounter, only for the ads to end and for you to realize that literally nothing happens whatsoever.

What's worse is that this type of format is being used on so many other shows these days. The Discovery channels are unbearable these days. I saw a new one the other night, Man vs Monster, with a guy I've never heard of and can find no information on, who wears an explorer's outfit and roams around the jungles of the world looking for things that don't exist.

I don't even know how these ideas are brought up in meetings and how/why they get over.

Guys, I've got it! How about a show where we go looking for Bigfoot and giant bats and living dinosaurs?

Aren't there already a bunch of shows like that out there?

Well yeah, but none with an English guy. We'll get an English guy to do it.

Well that's pretty different. Let's do it!
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Is it that Mungo guy?
 
Holy cheekbones that's a handsome dude.

He even knows it's a joke, he can't help but laugh when Jimmy says "Wood Ape"
 
Yeah looks exactly like any random "night investigation" scene from Finding Bigfoot.

No monkey.
 
OntarioSquatch on BFF said:
The Kiamichi mountains of SE Oklahoma probably has the highest sasquatch population density of anywhere in North America. The area was particularly hot right after they first appeared there in 1997.
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Right there they are thick on the landscape. Hot with their presence. If you lay down one might walk on you.

A guy has a homestead there and in the 1990s they came and tromped right up in there, getting all up into this and that and whatnot. The guy shot 'em up and it was all hairy going back and forth. The Bigfoots brought a siege and it became known as the Siege on Honobia.

They exist. That's for damn sure.
 
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William Parcher said:
Right there they are thick on the landscape. Hot with their presence. If you lay down one might walk on you.

A guy has a homestead there and in the 1990s they came and tromped right up in there, getting all up into this and that and whatnot. The guy shot 'em up and it was all hairy going back and forth. The Bigfoots brought a siege and it became known as the Siege on Honobia.

They exist. That's for damn sure.
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It's only a matter of time before Discovery Channel announces Sasquatch Week, or perhaps Footie Fortnight.

This is hardly farfetched in the light of bigfoot in the forest preserves of urban, suburban and exurban Chicago, or the notion of footie tossing licorice sweets at car-camping explorers in the third-growth wilderness of Minnesota.

You can bet that any garage sale in the nape of the neighborhood of Honobia, OK has plenty of bigfoot statuary, ashtrays, and toilet paper holders. Footie his own-damn-seff, well, there ain't none to be seen.
 
William Parcher said:
Right there they are thick on the landscape. Hot with their presence. If you lay down one might walk on you.

A guy has a homestead there and in the 1990s they came and tromped right up in there, getting all up into this and that and whatnot. The guy shot 'em up and it was all hairy going back and forth. The Bigfoots brought a siege and it became known as the Siege on Honobia.

They exist. That's for damn sure.
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From same post from OS on bff
Tim and his brother Michael managed to get photos and videos there that are at least as good as the PGF, but they don't believe it would do much better than the PGF, though they're considering laying everything out one day for people to finally see.
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Yep, bigfoot evidence so compelling that it hasn't seen the light of day in 17 years because . . . reasons.

You can always tell a good bigfoot bull **** story by the amount of evidence that hasn't been released to the public because . . . reasons.
 
William Parcher said:
Right there they are thick on the landscape. Hot with their presence. If you lay down one might walk on you.

A guy has a homestead there and in the 1990s they came and tromped right up in there, getting all up into this and that and whatnot. The guy shot 'em up and it was all hairy going back and forth. The Bigfoots brought a siege and it became known as the Siege on Honobia.

They exist. That's for damn sure.
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Yes, and there was a documentary out about 10 years ago, where these Oklahomans were out in the field with a female reporter, and all of a sudden they pull out there guns and start shooting up on the hillside. In the dark. With no target. Shooting at noises.

Anyone remember the name of that show?

Anyone know if the NAWAC has anyone affiliated with that show?

That same level of trigger discipline is clear in the NAWAC operations, so I thought maybe it was the same people.
 
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Much of the area (Kiamachis) is untouched wilderness . . .
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This seems to be at the center of all Oklahoma Bigfooter's talking points memo.

They even had their own FWS employee out there saying that it was protected forest, but it's been 2 &3 times cut down.

According to the southern forest resource assessment, in 1630 Oklahoma had 13.3 million acres of forests with 133 tree species. By the 1930s less than 200,000 acres of virgin forest in eastern Oklahoma remained. The U.S. Forest Service estimates we now have 7.665 million acres of forest-58 % of the original acreage. Forest surveys have shown increases in the forest during the past 20 years due to better management and reforestation.

Elbert Little, Jr., who studied several forest sites in southeast Oklahoma over a 60 year period described the burned out and cutover woods he first witnessed in 1929 as "almost worthless for any purpose." It would be some time, he said, before it was of any value."
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http://www.forestry.ok.gov/lost-forest
 
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Drewbot said:
Yes, and there was a documentary out about 10 years ago, where these Oklahomans were out in the field with a female reporter, and all of a sudden they pull out there guns and start shooting up on the hillside. In the dark. With no target. Shooting at noises.

Anyone remember the name of that show?

Anyone know if the NAWAC has anyone affiliated with that show?

That same level of trigger discipline is clear in the NAWAC operations, so I thought maybe it was the same people.
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Dunno the show, but that's what's called a "sound shot"...hear something moving so you shoot to see what it is.

Not uncommon in the rural south, and the reason I never went into the woods during deer season.
 
It is protected forest in the Kiamichis because there is a great deal of it under management from the US Forest Service. It is the western extent of the Ouachita National Forest. Other big public landholdings in that area include wildlife management areas operated by the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation and, specifically, the Little River National Wildlife Refuge managed by the US Fish and Wildlife Service. Regardless of the management authority, these are forests that have grown up over the last 60–80 years. Today, the entire region supports vibrant opportunities for non-consumptive outdoor recreation, hunting, logging, etc. MUCH of the original hardwood/shortleaf pine forest has been converted to loblolly pine plantation.
 
The Oklahoma portion was protected AFTER it got decimated. Then you also had 1. people illegally cutting and 2. leases to people to legally cut timber

On April 29, 1926, Pres. Calvin Coolidge officially designated the entire expanse the Ouachita National Forest. Additional Oklahoma lands were obtained in 1930, extending the forest in Le Flore County. In the 1930s the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) held sixteen camps in the forest, three in Oklahoma that established roads and game sanctuaries. World War II halted many of the forest production projects, but the 1960s brought tourism to the area. The Talimena Scenic Byway (completed in 1969 and dedicated in 1970), connecting Talihena, Oklahoma, to Mena, Arkansas, was built for its view.
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http://www.okhistory.org/publications/enc/entry.php?entry=OU002
 
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I think we'd agree though that it is not an "untouched wilderness," but a carefully managed wild place full of recreational users.

****, I've been to "designated wilderness areas" for which you needed a reservation to camp.
 
There is one decent wilderness area in the Ouachitas, the ODWC's McCurtain County Wilderness.

This tract does have some virgin timber and requires special permits for access. It is, however, heavily managed via hardwood thinning and prescribed fire. The goal is to re-establish a shortleaf pine/bluestem savanna to support a breeding colony of the endangered Red-cockaded Woodpecker.

How wildernessy? Well, the adjacent reservoir is the premiere mountain getaway for families and motorcycle clubs in the area. It's crawling with people. East of the reservoir and into the heart of the wilderness area the "roads" are barely passable and, as mentioned, you need specific permits for access. That said, it's managed to be open pine/bluestem savanna. It's prairie with trees, i.e., not squatchy.
 
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