The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

dafydd said:
Do you know how many galaxies there are and how big the universe is? How did they find us?
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I guess the argument to this would revolve around their high-tech-technology and that our planet would emit detectable rays/waves.

Although we don't know how life exists anywhere else, so why they would look for an Earth-like planet we don't know, that's just an assumption.
 
JAStewart said:
I guess the argument to this would revolve around their high-tech-technology and that our planet would emit detectable rays/waves.

Although we don't know how life exists anywhere else, so why they would look for an Earth-like planet we don't know, that's just an assumption.
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Yes so many variables but part of the fringe have the answer to why these aliens went to such efforts to find and help us - they came looking for us to teach us how to build stone structures..............maybe they hadn't achieved a rational state and still have religion and getting a bunch of monkey boys to cut or bash out stones and haul them around gains them spiritual merit in some way......
 
Foster Zygote said:
National Geographic Channel ran a series of programs relating to ancient Egypt this afternoon and I actually got to watch some of them (no small feat, what with a six year old and an eight month old in the house). One of the hour-long episodes took a fascinating look at what we have learned about King Scorpion in the protodynastic period some 5200 years ago. That's around 800 years before the construction of Khufu's pyramid at Giza. The fascinating thing is that we can see the beginnings of monumental architecture in the form of burial mounds. These mounds evolved into mastabas, which evolved into stepped pyramids (essentially mastabas stacked on top of one another), which evolved into pyramids. What is even more relevant to this thread is the fact that there is now strong evidence that King Scorpion inherited a culture that was already some 500 years old. We don't need to invoke aliens to explain the achievement of ancient societies. We can see them developing all by themselves using the same brains that we have today.
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I saw that too. Pity that edge didn't.
 
JAStewart said:
I guess the argument to this would revolve around their high-tech-technology and that our planet would emit detectable rays/waves.

Although we don't know how life exists anywhere else, so why they would look for an Earth-like planet we don't know, that's just an assumption.
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The first TV signals are about 80 light years away. There has been no time to detect us and then decide to drop in for a visit.
 
dafydd said:
The first TV signals are about 80 light years away. There has been no time to detect us and then decide to drop in for a visit.
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I believe the most detectable signal we sent were powerful radars we used to take a look at the nearby planets in the 1950s. I remember reading that TV and radio are to weak to pass much beyond our own solar system - but I stand by to be corrected.
 
Hans said:
I believe the most detectable signal we sent were powerful radars we used to take a look at the nearby planets in the 1950s. I remember reading that TV and radio are to weak to pass much beyond our own solar system - but I stand by to be corrected.
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The point still stands. How did they find us when there were no signals?
 
dafydd said:
The point still stands. How did they find us when there were no signals?
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you're thinking it the wrong way round, we aren't looking for planets based on their tv output (well seti is) we are looking for planets which could harbour life because of their distance from their sun, known as "the habitable zone". Not too cold, not too hot etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasolar_planet
We're not actually looking for life, we're looking for planets we could reach that could be adapted to support us in the near future

so if the Aliens are like us, we'd know they were here because we'd all be dead

are we all dead Edge ?
:p
 
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Hans said:
Underwater archaeology costs about 35-50 times more than the average dry land studies
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Kinda figured that, actually. Plus the fact that an expedition would take years. Honestly I don't think Edge has the first idea how archaeology works.

Before the first cent is ever spent, before the first worker is hired, the first ship chartered, the first piece of equipment bought or the first parcel of supplies procured the searcher would have already done their homework. And by the time the horses have left the gate the scientist pretty much already knows what they are looking for, where to look for it and who built it.

They don't just simply just say "Oh hey, let's just start digging over there. This is because the scientists aren't usually the one footing the bill and they have to justify the expenses to their sponsor(s).
 
Mudcat said:
Kinda figured that, actually. Plus the fact that an expedition would take years. Honestly I don't think Edge has the first idea how archaeology works.

Before the first cent is ever spent, before the first worker is hired, the first ship chartered, the first piece of equipment bought or the first parcel of supplies procured the searcher would have already done their homework. And by the time the horses have left the gate the scientist pretty much already knows what they are looking for, where to look for it and who built it.

They don't just simply just say "Oh hey, let's just start digging over there. This is because the scientists aren't usually the one footing the bill and they have to justify the expenses to their sponsor(s).
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I've been involved in the planning of dry land expeditions in an absolute rush you can get a team somewhere in a few days but in reality the planning takes years and usually revolves around academic cycles.

Underwater archaeology survey is much more difficult and wiki has a fair summary of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_archaeology

A site off Rapa Nui would be a bitch to try to do more than survey, being as it is not coastal, at depth and in the ocean - yikes. It could be surveyed successfully using remote sensors but why would you take the time?

Less than 1% of the earth surface has been archaeologically surveyed to standard and they do that so thay can sink a test pit to find something. Almost all civilizations and sites were found first by survey that was responding to local information or surface finds THEN excavation.

A 'cold' search would probably be rather a waste of time but I always encourage fringe believers to pay for such searches - negative knowledge (ie nothing found) is useful, fringe research gave us the C-14 dates of the pyramids so they can be useful.
 
Marduk said:
you're thinking it the wrong way round, we aren't looking for planets based on their tv output (well seti is) we are looking for planets which could harbour life because of their distance from their sun, known as "the habitable zone". Not too cold, not too hot etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasolar_planet
We're not actually looking for life, we're looking for planets we could reach that could be adapted to support us in the near future

so if the Aliens are like us, we'd know they were here because we'd all be dead

are we all dead Edge ?
:p
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I was just wondering how the aliens stumbled across this planet in the first place. We are way out in the Galactic suburbs.
 
dafydd said:
I was just wondering how the aliens stumbled across this planet in the first place. We are way out in the Galactic suburbs.
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I already remarked on that much earlier in the thread.

Edge, in case you didn't see what I had to say on that subject earlier I had mentioned that the aliens with the super advanced technology would have to be situated fairly close to us to find us. They probably wouldn't have noticed us at all till relatively recent in history (and it's still unlikely they would have should they exist) never mind early on in our development (unless they quite literally stumbled upon us, a real possibility I admit).

In fact if we find no advanced life with inter-stellar travel capacity living in our local star group I think that's evidence enough we have never been visited. Any further out than that and they wouldn't have been able to find us without us having more advanced technology than we currently have.
 
Additional information on Rapa Nui

The Statues that Walked: Unraveling the Mystery of Easter Island; by Terry Hunt, Carl Lipo, ISBN-13: 978-1439150313

This is an evidence based archaeology book that looks at the claim that the inhabitants self-destructed along with the environment - this takes a different viewpoint that the Rapa nui were survivors in a tough place to live. When I last visited Easter Island Terry Hunt was excavating on the NW coast.

For Marduk the first series was by

The American Research Center in Egypt (ARCE) undertook
in 1984 the first of the two projects reported here with financial support from the Edgar Cayce Foundation.
The
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The second project was provided by David H Koch who established the Pyramids Radiocarbon Dating Project. Who is not fringe so, I stand corrected, the first by Care the second by a rational group/person.
 
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The fringe will often go around the lack of aliens and the vast distances with the idea of:

Time travellers.
Dimension travellers.
Hidden aliens or advanced humans on earth or in the solar system.
Religious angle: they are demons or spaw of the devil
Stupid angle: they are from the gub'mint, Nazis or the Republic of Salo
 
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edge said:
Oooh a spelling error OMG.
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There's a big difference between statuesque and status quo.

See, edge, for most people words actually have what we call meanings, and when you use a word that actually doesn't mean what the correct word does, it's more than a misspelling. It's a freakin' wrong word.
 
Well, Mr. Edge, after having a talk with a fellow board member, I have decided to be a mite more respectful.

First off, I'd like to understand your position better. On a scale of one to ten, how much credence do you personally put in the idea that aliens visited earth and interacted with humans (with one being the level reserved for "invisible pink unicorns" and ten being the level for "oxygen is a measurable component of Earth's atmosphere")?
 
pakeha said:
Thanks, edge!
I looked it over and don't see anything special there.
Are you quite sure this isn't a 'face on Mars' sort of effect?
I did enjoy the link you gave, thanks!
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Well the eye can make shapes out of random lines mounds, (Pareidolia) and shapes but if I could look at the bottom, I would look there first and along the northwest shoreline.
 
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