The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

Well the eye can make shapes out of random lines mounds, (Pareidolia) and shapes but if I could look at the bottom, I would look there first and along the northwest shoreline.


Edge, your first mention of this silly theory was this:


Here’s what I think, an advanced culture disappeared during the Ice Age, and its survivors gained footholds throughout the world, establishing ancient cultures like the Egyptians, the Maya and the Easter Islanders.


You've been asked, but have by no means explained, why you thought this in the first place and all you've produced is nonsense about seeing unusual shapes in Google Earth renditions of the area.

This isn't thinking about things; it's just posting the first thing that comes into your head, no matter how outlandish.

Why do you do it?
 
The first TV signals are about 80 light years away. There has been no time to detect us and then decide to drop in for a visit.

What makes you think that radio and TV is the only way to detect planets with water?

No Time what? :boggled:
 
you're thinking it the wrong way round, we aren't looking for planets based on their tv output (well seti is) we are looking for planets which could harbour life because of their distance from their sun, known as "the habitable zone". Not too cold, not too hot etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasolar_planet
We're not actually looking for life, we're looking for planets we could reach that could be adapted to support us in the near future

so if the Aliens are like us, we'd know they were here because we'd all be dead

are we all dead Edge ?
:p

Probably the reason for a flood, to slow us down so that we could develop more morals.
We would be a predator on another planet.
Apperently they are beyond being like us. :rolleyes:
 
I already remarked on that much earlier in the thread.

Edge, in case you didn't see what I had to say on that subject earlier I had mentioned that the aliens with the super advanced technology would have to be situated fairly close to us to find us. They probably wouldn't have noticed us at all till relatively recent in history (and it's still unlikely they would have should they exist) never mind early on in our development (unless they quite literally stumbled upon us, a real possibility I admit).

In fact if we find no advanced life with inter-stellar travel capacity living in our local star group I think that's evidence enough we have never been visited. Any further out than that and they wouldn't have been able to find us without us having more advanced technology than we currently have.

They must have more advanced technology than we currently have.
They do but not so advanced that we couldn't figure it out at this very moment in time.
 
There's a big difference between statuesque and status quo.

See, edge, for most people words actually have what we call meanings, and when you use a word that actually doesn't mean what the correct word does, it's more than a misspelling. It's a freakin' wrong word.

Of course it is.
My bad, but you got the jist right?
 
Well, Mr. Edge, after having a talk with a fellow board member, I have decided to be a mite more respectful.

First off, I'd like to understand your position better. On a scale of one to ten, how much credence do you personally put in the idea that aliens visited earth and interacted with humans (with one being the level reserved for "invisible pink unicorns" and ten being the level for "oxygen is a measurable component of Earth's atmosphere")?
I would say around 8.9…your next question would be why? Right?
 
Probably the reason for a flood, to slow us down so that we could develop more morals.
We would be a predator on another planet.
Apperently they are beyond being like us. :rolleyes:

Howdy Edge

If you mean the 'biblical' flood there wasn't one but there were lots of small region floods spread over a great period of time, pretty much all the time.

We are omnivore group predators here and rather successful at that nitch

'Being like us' ? Beyond? Have they told you that?
 
Edge, your first mention of this silly theory was this:





You've been asked, but have by no means explained, why you thought this in the first place and all you've produced is nonsense about seeing unusual shapes in Google Earth renditions of the area.

This isn't thinking about things; it's just posting the first thing that comes into your head, no matter how outlandish.

Why do you do it?
Well I wasn’t the one who thought this up so while we were at it I looked at what was there with some of our best technology that's free to use.
It looks interesting and that the fringe site where I got it, those people did the same or less, maybe more going on other information or myths.

There is a possibility that when the levels of the ocean were lower that other islands were exposed back then and there is no reasons not to think that they also weren’t used to live on.
My curiosity stems from the fact that I have had contact with these others.
There’s the fact that we have evidence that we are not alone since the dawn of man.
So I’m not the only one then or now that knows this with out a doubt.
If we could only tap into our memories and transfer them onto a computer wouldn’t that be great?
We will some day.
There has been enough time in the universe for a civilization to develop the skills necessary to travel time and space.
So to me it is possible that we have been influenced but are now in grave danger.
From ourselves because we are on an edge of development of failing or succeeding with powers that are greater than the spiting of atoms, something that can be used for a
Greater weapon.
 
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Probably the reason for a flood, to slow us down so that we could develop more morals.
There was no flood. At least, not a global one, or even one that hit all human habitation.

There is a possibility that when the levels of the ocean were lower that other islands were exposed back then and there is no reasons not to think that they also weren’t used to live on.
THis much is true--we have evidence of humans using land bridges and such. Unfortunately for you, all of that evidence shows only the use of primative technologies--stone tools and such. So while you have one fact right, your interpretation ignores countless others.

There’s the fact that we have evidence that we are not alone since the dawn of man.
None has thus far been presented. You've presented a lot of pictures and speculation, but it's all been shot down.

The rest of that paragraph is pure speculation. Not necessarily a bad thing, but speculation IS NOT an explanation, and so is out of place given the statement you quoted.
 
Well I wasn’t the one who thought this[Ancient Easter Islanders] up so while we were at it I looked at what was there with some of our best technology that's free to use.


If Google Earth is best resource available to you then its limitations are your limitations. Google Earth doesn't claim to be able to reveal details of long-submerged ancient civilisations and that means you can't use it as a basis for making your own claims.


It looks interesting and that the fringe site where I got it, those people did the same or less, maybe more going on other information or myths.


All you're doing now is removing yourself one more level from reality.

You're making claims based on other people's claims which are in turn reliant on technology that's incapable of providing the information that would be required to support those claims. You might just as well use a Gaugin seascape to do your 'research'.


There is a possibility that when the levels of the ocean were lower that other islands were exposed back then and there is no reasons not to think that they also weren’t used to live on.


Almost anything we can imagine is a possibility, but unless we apply some kind of filter to our thinking we just end up living in a chaotic fantasyland.

The topic of this thread, if you recall, is "The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?" not "Random Stuff That I Read About On Some Fringe Websites". If you haven't got some evidence to present for any submerged religious structures or sunken aliens then why are we even talking about this dross?


My curiosity stems from the fact that I have had contact with these others.


What others?

Aliens?

No, you haven't.


There’s the fact that we have evidence that we are not alone since the dawn of man.


Well yeah, there's been bugs and birds and fish and frogs and all kinds of things, but none of those built any temples on the Speculation Islands either.


So I’m not the only one then or now that knows this with out a doubt.


You're the only one presenting it here. That's all that matters.

For the purpose of this thread, they're your claims and it's up to you to either provide some evidence or concede that we're entitled to dismiss your stories as nothing more than complete fabrications.


If we could only tap into our memories and transfer them onto a computer wouldn’t that be great?
We will some day.


Perhaps, but even if we had such an ability right now it wouldn't help your case since the 'memories' you're hoping to recover are of stuff that never happened.


There has been enough time in the universe for a civilization to develop the skills necessary to travel time and space.


Perhaps. So what?

It's a huge leap from acknowledging this possibility to claiming that aliens built ancient religious structures on Earth and yet you've offered not a single piece of evidence to support such a claim.


So to me it is possible that we have been influenced but are now in grave danger.


This ridiculous speculation doesn't even follow from your own equally ridiculous previous claims. It's just random nonsense.


From ourselves because we are on an edge of development of failing or succeeding with powers that are greater than the spiting of atoms, something that can be used for a
Greater weapon.


Well, I always try to be nice to the atoms I meet, and find them to be quite charming in return. Maybe if you stop spiting them they'll be nice to you as well and you'll see that there's really nothing to worry about after all.
 
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Alien dowsers? Read my post again slowly and try to understand it.

I will speculate that he is referring to using spectral analysis of light reflected from a planet that shows H20
 
I would say around 8.9…your next question would be why? Right?

I was thinking about asking why, but I was also thinking about asking what other beliefs rate that high or what beliefs fall very low on the scale in your opinion. But rather that than discuss any of those, I'd rather hear more about:

edge said:
My curiosity stems from the fact that I have had contact with these others.

I consider it to be closely related to the thread's topic, so I hope you will provide more information about it (although starting a new thread is fine as well). Also, are these aliens in need of Divine Salvation in the same way humans are? Did the One True God send an offspring to die for their sins?
 
Probably the reason for a flood, to slow us down so that we could develop more morals.

Other posters have pointed out that there is no genetic bottleneck that is common for all land-based animals. Do you dismiss this counterevidence out of hand or do you have an explanation for why this fact should be discarded from your reasoning?
 
Probably the reason for a flood, to slow us down so that we could develop more morals.
We would be a predator on another planet.
Apperently they are beyond being like us. :rolleyes:

You do realize that there is NO evidence for a massive world wide flood in the last 20,000 years. The flooding at the end of the Ice Age was quite dramatic but on the order of sea levels rising a few feet per year. An there is of course the apparent massive increase in the Black sea, on the order of 20-40 feet peryear c. 9,000 years ago. So that nothing like a dramatic catastrophic world wide flood that vcovers every continent in hundreds if not thousands of feet of water. Hell there isn't even evidence of a world wide flood of tens of feet. There is of course plenty of evidence of local catastrophic flooding.

I find the notion that Aliens would exterminate the great majority of Humans along with countless, birds, and other animals to say nothing of plants to improve our morals rather hypocritical. Yes a alien species that engages in mass genocidal slaughter and spectacular specicide can sit in judgement on our lack of morals. (Snark).
 
They must have more advanced technology than we currently have.
They do but not so advanced that we couldn't figure it out at this very moment in time.
Edge, my point isn't dependent on their technology but ours. If these aliens with the uber-tech don't live in a star system within our local stellar cluster than they wouldn't be able to locate us unless we had considerably better technology than we currently have (think better than primitive warp drive and you'll be close).

That is my point, not whatever technology they may or may not have.

So I’m not the only one then or now that knows this with out a doubt.
If we could only tap into our memories and transfer them onto a computer wouldn’t that be great?
We will some day.
What like the Animus taps into 'genetic memory' in Assassin's Creed? Edge, that's just science fiction. Very bad science fiction at that.


edge said:
There has been enough time in the universe for a civilization to develop the skills necessary to travel time and space.

Well, let's just hope the also developed the wisdom to use it correctly.
 
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There's a big difference between statuesque and status quo.

See, edge, for most people words actually have what we call meanings, and when you use a word that actually doesn't mean what the correct word does, it's more than a misspelling. It's a freakin' wrong word.

Of course it is.
My bad, but you got the jist right?
Actually, no, I didn't. I just decided it was more of your impolite incoherence and ignored it until you hand-waved it off. You obviously don't care if people understand what you say, so there's no point in talking to you about it. That's one of the reasons I think you're a troll instead of a deluded Tru Bleever.

I will admit that your garbage about dowsing stands in direct opposition to my troll theory.
 

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