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London snack shop?

Does anybody have any kind of handle on casualty figures at this point?
I thought the UN stopped counting due to lack of reliable information.


"London snack shop" is the nick name the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" has earned while it was quoted over and over again implying that it was some vast organization on the ground, while it is one guy and his secretary working from the UK, with a day job running a snack shop (or a grocery store or something like that). They are still counting and their numbers are as reliable as ever, if not more - because they became less partisan and subsequently less quoted by the corporate press. Maybe I should stop using the name. The UN has never done their own counting, Pillay and her gang just accumulated several countings to come to an inflated number. Other than SOHR, there is the VDC and some other smaller outlets like this, but the complete picture will be left to historians.

Is there any insight in what coalitions currently exist?


The "FSA" has more or less completely disappeared. Some smaller of their subgroups have been rebranded recently as the "Army of Mujahedeen" who are allegedly leading the fight against ISIS. This is hogwash, nobody ever heard of them. Basically there are the two "Al Qaeda" associated groups ISIS and Nusra and the relatively new commando structure of the "Islamic Front" which i've written about above and includes all the major groups that formerly ran under "FSA". A lot of Saudi money helped form it. Not everybody is hardcore Islamist, but the main leaders are. Good recent article about the relations between those groups is here.

So far none of those groups has agreed to participate in the Geneva talks, and the "FSA" would likely be the only one who gets accepted, being the French/Qatar/Western pet army for freedumb and democrazy. But they control zilch on the ground. So the only possibility to have "rebels" with something to negotiate at the table would be to stylize the "Islamic Front" as "moderates" - and get the Saudis to make them participate.
 
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If Saudi Money is involved, I'd not expect the money to go to moderates.

No surprises there.
 
Can someone tell me who I should support in the Syrian conflict?

It seems so complicated to me.
 
Can someone tell me who I should support in the Syrian conflict?

It seems so complicated to me.

It's actually pretty simple.

Bashar al-Asaad is a brutal dictator. He happens to belong to the "Alawites" religion, which is a branch of Shia Islam. For this reason, it's better to be an "Alawis" in Syria, who get the good government contracts, easier promotion in the military, and basically are the favored people, even though they only represent a small portion of the population. Side note: Iran is also dominated by Shia Islam, but in Iran Shia are the dominant portion of the population.

The majority of the population in Syria are Suni Muslims, who are the majority Muslims. Worldwide the majority of the Muslims are also Suni, including the nut-case fundy Saudis, who are happy to throw oil money at violent extremists anywhere they find them, and Al-Qaeda.

One would be tempted to support the rebels, who are the people Asaad have been oppressing for so long, but they're attracting every crazy-fundy Suni who wants to kill gor God (and let's be honest, there are a lot of them) that if they win, they're not likely to create any but a fundamentalist Suni-Muslim state that is way more oppressive than Syria already is. Still, at least it would be the oppression of the majority, which sucks slightly less than the oppression of the minority they have now.

So...don't root for anyone. The only thing to understand is it sucks, really sucks, to be a Syrian of any kind.
 
Just in, the latest dispatch from activist-turned-resigned-observer "Edward Dark" from Aleppo (he's writing from the government-controlled part) about the infighting. Grim.

Some alleged leaks spread on twitter might explain how the Syria mess ended up with two "Al-Qaeda" franchises.

OK, so the Islamic Front is financed by Saudi Arabia. Who's backing ISIS?
Whose proxies are we looking at here?
 
OK, so the Islamic Front is financed by Saudi Arabia. Who's backing ISIS?
Whose proxies are we looking at here?


That's a good question. Pick a conspiracy theory. Some FSA "rebels" claim that the evil Assad is behind them. If you believe the leaks I linked to, they are a relatively independent organization with purely Iraqi leadership, who follow what Uncle Zawahiri says only when it fits their own agenda. Others say they are a integral part of "al-Qaeda" which is financed through more clandestine Saudi-Pakistani channels and - some claim - at the top controlled by the Western "intelligence" nexus.
 
- some claim - at the top controlled by the Western "intelligence" nexus.

If Al-Qaeda is controlled by the Western "intelligence" nexus then who were the coalition fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq? Or were they just pretending to fight people?
 
If Al-Qaeda is controlled by the Western "intelligence" nexus then who were the coalition fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq? Or were they just pretending to fight people?

Cute!
You know it, but let me spell it out for you:
Afghanistan: Taliban
Iraq: Iraqi government, though it was hardly a "coalition". It was just UK, Australia, Poland and the US, because nobody else was stupid enough to get into that BS.
 
If Al-Qaeda is controlled by the Western "intelligence" nexus then who were the coalition fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq? Or were they just pretending to fight people?

I agree with your thesis but not with the information you present to defend it. The situation is more complicated than you suggest.
 
Cute!
You know it, but let me spell it out for you:
Afghanistan: Taliban
Iraq: Iraqi government, though it was hardly a "coalition". It was just UK, Australia, Poland and the US, because nobody else was stupid enough to get into that BS.

Wrong:
Troops there from Czech, El Salvador, Japan, South Korea, and numerous other places. That's just off the top of my head.
 
The new year started with everybody watching in amazement how the different proxy armies started to fall over each other. It first seemed like there was a coordinated effort to get rid of ISIS, but then it turned quickly into an all-against-all butcher fest with regionally differing coalitions. The London snack shop says 700 "rebels" dead at their own hands in the last 9 days. Jokes are making the round that all the SAA now needs is more popcorn.

Right now, the only ones fighting the ISIS are the rebels.

Which is not so surprising that the dictator is not going after them, but what is surprising is that the ISIS is also not going after Assad.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/13/world/middleeast/syria-rebels-turn-against-most-radical-group-tied-to-al-qaeda.html?_r=0
As a government warplane soared over the northern Syrian city of Raqqa recently, a fighter from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, the country’s most radical group linked to Al Qaeda, watched from behind an antiaircraft gun mounted on a pickup truck. Fighters and activists from rival insurgent factions urged him to fire. He did not.

The others were incredulous, recalled one, who supports the Nusra Front, a rival group that has Al Qaeda’s official stamp of approval as its representative in the fight against President Bashar al-Assad. But the man on the truck replied, “We are here to establish the Islamic state, not to fight Assad.”

While both the ISIS and the dictator's forces share a soft spot for killing civilians, they cannot stay at an informal truce forever. The regime waited until the ISIS was clear before bombing rebel positions during their infighting, and they refrained from attacking the ISIS directly, but I definitely do not think that this is because they are actually aligned with the ISIS. They are both just having a lull in fighting each other to finish off the moderates, which are the ultimate enemies for both of them.

Assad has been going on a mass killing spree killing spree, blowing up markets, bread lines, hospitals, schools, neighborhoods, starving out cities, and a MASSIVE campaign of abduction/torture/killings of civilians. It's a basic dictatorship rule by terrorism, a tactic taught to him by his father and his father's institutions of terror.

When the civil war broke out, the greatest threat to Assad was the moderates who could finally establish a democracy, and create a viable alternative to his bloody dictatorship. By assisting the most extremist of rebel groups, Assad is both helping to destroy the moderate rebels who are his greatest threat, as well as showing the Syrian people that the alternative (the ISIS) are also torturers and murderers, so they might as well as go with the torturer and murderer that they know (Assad).

The ISIS for their part believes that the breathing room they are being given by the dictatorship will allow them to consolidate power and resist any enemies either the rebels or the government as they have been able to do with Malaki.

The ISIS blames the Saudis and the US for the backlash against them, but while the Saudis may hold sway. Al Nursa would not take orders from the US. The ISIS forced the rebels to respond proabably sooner than they would have liked because of their attacks on rebel bases, mass detentions, mass killings of prisoners like Dr. Hussein al-Suleiman Ahrar al-Sham, and the public backlash at their harsh rule.

Assad is definitely looking to capitalize on this by moving on strategic resupply areas in Aleppo, but Aleppo is now relatively clear of ISIS. The real fight is in the North. Although their inability to refresh the forces in Aleppo could make a major difference. On the other hand, if the rebels can hold out, they could clear a major obstacle for receiving funding, especially since the removal of the ISIS was a major component of the Saudi plan to invest "several billion dollars" into the development of a 40,000 to 50,000 strong Syrian National Army.
 
OK, so the Islamic Front is financed by Saudi Arabia. Who's backing ISIS?
Whose proxies are we looking at here?

The ISIS is almost entirely funded through extortion and ransoms from kidnapping. A large portion of this cash originally came from extortion of Iraqi oil facilities in Western Iraq, and they used their new wealth from those facilities to expand into extortion of all types of businesses, and a mass kidnapping ring. They use their strict religious rules to justify their operations, and they have developed their own media outlets to spread their message of a new Islamic State that would spread from Western Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.

Still, there is no country anywhere that actually supports them, and they are even at odds with AQ. They basically have primarily expanded in order to extort more businesses.

http://www.npr.org/2014/01/08/260771319/as-rebels-fight-rebels-grim-reports-from-a-syrian-city
These are mainly Sunni extremists from Iraq. The war in Syria has revived the organization and given it a new base of support as well as safe havens along the Syria-Iraq border. Looney and other analysts say that ISIS funds its operations from money collected in Iraq.

"It's mostly through extortion, also criminal activity," he says. Estimates vary from $5 million to $8 million each month.
 
The ISIS is almost entirely funded through extortion and ransoms from kidnapping. A large portion of this cash originally came from extortion of Iraqi oil facilities in Western Iraq, and they used their new wealth from those facilities to expand into extortion of all types of businesses, and a mass kidnapping ring. They use their strict religious rules to justify their operations, and they have developed their own media outlets to spread their message of a new Islamic State that would spread from Western Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon.

Still, there is no country anywhere that actually supports them, and they are even at odds with AQ. They basically have primarily expanded in order to extort more businesses.

http://www.npr.org/2014/01/08/260771319/as-rebels-fight-rebels-grim-reports-from-a-syrian-city

That's truly depressing.

OTOH, I expect my Boeing stock to keep it's value in the long term.
 
Another piece of the dadaistic puzzle that tried to convince the world (and succeeded with many kool-aid drinkers) that "Assad" gassed his own people on August 21 has crumbled. MIT's Prof. Postol, whose presentation based on the lies cooked up by the White House legitimized the stories of self-described reporters at NYT, HRW and minor blogs, has published a new presentation titled Possible Implications of Faulty US Technical Intelligence.

“This mistaken intelligence could have led to an unjustified US military action based on false intelligence. A proper vetting of the fact that the munition was of such short range would have led to a completely different assessment of the situation from the gathered data”


Not directly acknowledged but apparently granted in some not-published exchanges is that the ones who properly vetted the range of the ammunition in question and clued in Postol were pseudonomynous internet researchers at the blog whoghouta, with a certain overlap of contributors with our humble little wiki.

Strange that there isn't more public outcry about the fact that the Obama regime tried to lie the US into a war in exactly the bold way the Bush regime did, and was caught in the act, not years later. Well, I guess the degeneration process didn't stop. And many will swallow the next set of lies just like they always did. Maybe about the good, the bad and the really bad Al Qaeda? :rolleyes:

Sibel Edmonds has written a very pointed and read-worthy piece about Erdogan's fall from grace. He seems to be toast but is a fox and always good for a surprise. Maybe he'll apologize to Assad and kick NATO out? Who knows. He's still responsible for countless dead Syrians and will be a minor figure standing in the coming new Nürnberg trials.

Sibel Edmonds said:
[...] No matter how we look at it Erdogan’s days are numbered. One will not get away with having a major rift with the CIA. That’s one commandment. Violated. Thou shall not buy weapons from China or Russia regardless of quality or price advantage. Thou shall only feed the Empire’s own fat Military Industrial Complex players. That’s another major commandment. Violated. A puppet shall only be a member of clubs solely owned and operated by the Empire. Joining others’ clubs, even thinking of joining others’ clubs, shall come with severe retribution. This rule has been written with inerasable ink- Violated. Well, these should take care of the Empire’s three-strike rule. Erdogan should begin looking for a shelter; a refuge. Either it’s that, or the Turkish people taking the matters into their own hands-where they belong.
 
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Sibel Edmonds has written a very pointed and read-worthy piece about Erdogan's fall from grace. He seems to be toast but is a fox and always good for a surprise. Maybe he'll apologize to Assad and kick NATO out? Who knows. He's still responsible for countless dead Syrians and will be a minor figure standing in the coming new Nürnberg trials.

Looks like a bunch of pure, unadulterated idiocy to me.
 
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