Syria and UN Security Council Decision

[uke2se]

I might be new here, but I am perfectly capable of using the search function to read a person's post history, hence that post. I'm not one for futile arguments with brick walls, so i'll let some of the more experienced and/or stubborn debaters have a go.

Most of us have Jane on ignore, FYI.

 

[Sgt Doom]

Most of us have Jane on ignore, FYI.

Heh, I figured that might be the case. I can't help but read every post in a topic, though. Morbid curiousity, I think would be an applicable term.

 

[trustbutverify]

Haven't read the last pages of this thread.
But here are two points that might be interesting.

Unlike I predicted before, Assad seems to be winning with his tried and tested strategy:
Use massive violence in an unapologetic manner.

I saw a respected Dutch diplomat on TV(sorry forgot name, DDT?) who basically says the Russians and the Chinese are right.
Military intervention will set off the whole ethnic powder-keg in Syria/Lebanon.
Considering the worrying results in post-revolution Libya, WMD's in the cards, a massive civil war brewing, intervention doesn't look like good option at all.
He basically said that tens of thousands of victims are horrible, but not as horrible as hundreds of thousands.

Also, I read an interesting opinion peace by a Dutch war correspondent, who thinks the reporting is way too activist. Whilst Assads forces are obviously involved in war crimes, we don't get the complete picture.
Sunni attacks on Allawites (sp?) are under reported for instance.

You may disagree, but the situation in Syria seems reasonably clear to me. A large percentage of the population of the Middle East and Northern Africa have decided that living in terror under the absolute authority of sociopathic animals is no longer tolerable. The wave of revolt, which probably started with the greens in Iran or possibly Lebanon, has arrived in Syria. The initial unarmed uprising was met with unrestrained slaughter. Rather than giving up, the rebels decided to try and fight back. A significant number of Syrian military units have defected, giving the rebels some limited capacity to operate. The Russian regime has decided that the survival of the sadistic Assad monstrosity is in their best interests. In line with this conclusion, they have isolated the country physically and diplomatically while pumping enough combat material into Assad units to enable him to smash the rebellion into sawdust, and to do so with maximum brutality as an object lesson. Not having any outside source of military or medical aid available to counter this Russian-backed onslaught, the rebellion is probably doomed in the short term.
As far as what to do to about this savage crackdown on primarily defenseless people. Tragically, as long as Russian power, both in the UN and on the battlefield, remains at the disposal of Assad I can't see anything that can be done. I hope I'm wrong.

From about a month ago. Seems to be pretty much on point.

 

[trustbutverify]

Another four Assad generals defect.

http://news.yahoo.com/four-more-generals-defect-syrian-army-rebels-201543354.html

When and how was NATO able to replace these Syrian generals with surgically altered doubles?

 

[Pardalis]

When and how was NATO able to replace these Syrian generals with surgically altered doubles?

Don't fall asleep, trustbutverify.

 

[Childlike Empress]

While Kofi Annan is in Damascus talking with Assad, in Cairo:

Russia and the Arab League have negotiated a plan to settle the bloody political conflict in Syria, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday.

The plan proposes an end to violence by all sides, monitoring of the situation in Syria, provision of humanitarian aid to all Syrians, support for the UN special envoy Kofi Annan's mission in the country and abstention from external interference in Syrian domestic affairs, Lavrov said after a meeting with his colleagues from the Arab League in Cairo.

“We think these five steps will be crucial. They are addressed to all parties in Syria,” Lavrov said.

Very similar to the proposal of the Chinese:

Assistant Foreign Minister Zhang Ming, as a special envoy of the Chinese government, will pay a visit to Saudi Arabia and Egypt from March 10 to 14, according to a Foreign Ministry spokesman. [...]

Zhang will exchange views on the Syrian crisis, including China's six-point statement for a political resolution to the crisis, with regional organizations such as the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) and Arab League (AL), the spokesman said. [...]

China's six-point statement calls for ceasing all acts of violence, launching an inclusive political dialogue, supporting humanitarian relief efforts, respecting Syria's sovereignty, welcoming the appointment of the Joint Special Envoy on the Syrian crisis by the UN and the AL and ensuring that UN Security Council members abide by the purposes and principles of the UN Charter and basic norms governing international relations.

Eat this, John McCain.

Meanwhile the SNC goons still refuse to negotiate and apparently even to talk to Annan.

 

[JihadJane]

Most of us have Jane on ignore, FYI.

Psychic?

I might be new here, but I am perfectly capable of using the search function to read a person's post history, hence that post.

In which case you will be able to produce a post of mine which in which I side with absolutely anyone who goes against the West simply because they're going against the West. I look forward to seeing it.

 

[WildCat]

In which case you will be able to produce a post of mine which in which I side with absolutely anyone who goes against the West simply because they're going against the West. I look forward to seeing it.

All of your posts in this thread qualify. You love Assad, solely because he's anti-west.

 

[Virus]

In which case you will be able to produce a post of mine which in which I side with absolutely anyone who goes against the West simply because they're going against the West. I look forward to seeing it.

Why did you quote from a terrorist newspaper? Did you not know it was a terrrorist paper? Or did you quote it because it's a terrorist paper?

 

[Childlike Empress]

When and how was NATO able to replace these Syrian generals with surgically altered doubles?

How to double someone who has no name and face and is just an assertion of some "rebel" spokesman? You think it's far-fetched to think he made that up and those "generals" don't exist? Then i'm sure you'll agree with me that it's unlikely that the Syrian government can day after day make up and announce names and dates which the Syrian people can check. The numbers of deaths thrown around are never specified and include a high number of Syrian policemen and soldiers which are certainly not killed by peaceful protesters. Here are the over 300 who died in February, as reported by SANA announcing their funerals. They say the total is around 2500.

 

[trustbutverify]

Psychic?



In which case you will be able to produce a post of mine which in which I side with absolutely anyone who goes against the West simply because they're going against the West. I look forward to seeing it.

How dare anyone suggest that you sympathize with international actors who assume anti-American/Israeli/Western positions!

I advise you sue for slander.

 

[trustbutverify]

How to double someone who has no name and face and is just an assertion of some "rebel" spokesman? You think it's far-fetched to think he made that up and those "generals" don't exist? Then i'm sure you'll agree with me that it's unlikely that the Syrian government can day after day make up and announce names and dates which the Syrian people can check. The numbers of deaths thrown around are never specified and include a high number of Syrian policemen and soldiers which are certainly not killed by peaceful protesters. Here are the over 300 who died in February, as reported by SANA announcing their funerals. They say the total is around 2500.

I was counting on your support for my NATO-double theory.

 

[Pardalis]

You think it's far-fetched to think he made that up and those "generals" don't exist?

You mean like that boeing jet that you think didn't fly into the Pentagon?

 

[Virus]

If someone sides with fascism, instinctively and reflexively, what does that make them?

 

[JihadJane]

'Tens of thousands demand democracy in huge Bahrain protest'

"On Friday, Iraqi followers of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr demonstrated in Basra in support of the Bahraini opposition. Around 3,000 people chanted anti-Saudi slogans and carried Bahraini and Iraqi flags.

Bahrain, where the U.S. Navy Fifth Fleet is based, has remained mired in crisis and Shiite youths clash daily with riot police. The unrest has slowed the economy in what used to be a major tourism and banking hub."

 

[WildCat]

'Tens of thousands demand democracy in huge Bahrain protest'

"On Friday, Iraqi followers of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr demonstrated in Basra in support of the Bahraini opposition. Around 3,000 people chanted anti-Saudi slogans and carried Bahraini and Iraqi flags.

Bahrain, where the U.S. Navy Fifth Fleet is based, has remained mired in crisis and Shiite youths clash daily with riot police. The unrest has slowed the economy in what used to be a major tourism and banking hub."

So it's good when people in Bahrain demonstrate against the government, but bad when Syrians do it?

Is that your position Jane?

 

[Pardalis]

'Tens of thousands demand democracy in huge Bahrain protest'

And none of them have been killed.

 

[Pardalis]

So it's good when people in Bahrain demonstrate against the government, but bad when Syrians do it?

Is that your position Jane?

I guess JJ wants us to intervene in their internal affairs when the protests remain uneventful, but want us to keep out of their business when the government starts to kill protesters....

 

[Childlike Empress]

Oopsie, journalists with integrity left start quiting Al Jazeera which the Emir of Qatar turned into his mouthpiece lately, denouncing "provocative" bias in the Syria issue ... will this have an echo in the western corporate media which willfully parrots their obvious lies and distortions?

 

[Virus]

Russia Today.