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Seeing Cryptids: The Problems

Hoaxers intend to have their work found, so they would leave it in an area that is likely to be discovered.
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That's the same old line that's been used for years to explain why sasquatch tracks are not hoaxes.

"No one would put a fake bigfoot track here, because if they did, no one would see their work."

But a hoaxer knows exactly what he is doing...

He is hoaxing someone or some group...

Someone always sees their work.
 
LTC8K6 said:
That's the same old line that's been used for years to explain why sasquatch tracks are not hoaxes.

"No one would put a fake bigfoot track here, because if they did, no one would see their work."

But a hoaxer knows exactly what he is doing...

He is hoaxing someone or some group...

Someone always sees their work.
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I would have thought it obvious even to a bigfooter that if he saw the work, it was not placed where nobody would see it.
 
Pterodactyl said:
I don't see anything particularly bigfoot-related about any of these claims.

A couple of broken deer legs... wolf, black bear, or human are easily more likely. A deer that had been hit by a truck and then dragged a ways by scavengers would be my guess. There's just no reason to attribute something so ordinary to bf.


The sometimes just under, sometimes over 6 ft pile of corn? Look, if a BF were caching corn for the winter, is an open big pile where crows, deer, and every other animal can get right at it really a good caching strategy? Why not in a hollow log or a cave? Why not dig a pit or at least attempt to hide it in some way? Sounds very much like deer baiting to me.

Good N Plenty shouldn't even be dignified with a serious response, IMO.
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The deer could have dragged itself with it's front legs after being hit by a vehicle.
 
Has anyone thought that maybe this deer fell prey to the whitetail's most feared enemy?

The automobile.

Car hits deer, breaks both back legs. Deer drags itself off to die and after a little ripening is drug around by coyotes or dogs and ends up being misidentified as Squatchmo's dinner.

Sorry if this idea is already out there.

ETA: tsig! Get outta my head!
 
So how many alternate explanations have you seriously entertained so far NL? Any?

The reason virtually no one other than proponents entertain stories like yours is because they sound exactly like ******** campfire stories and have exactly the same amount of corroborating objective evidence. None.

To be taken seriously outside the bigfoot boutique clique you guys have far more work to do that you seem willing to shoulder as of now. It's 2014, and you guys have diddly.
 
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rockinkt said:
That is from the preamble that the rest of the article does not agree with.

About a quarter of the way down the page:

Figure 3. Cougars are a stalk and wait predators and the majority of prey is killed by a sudden explosive burst of speed with the attack focused from the front shoulder forward, where the cougar can grasp the neck to break the neck or suffocate and kill.
(Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.)
(my color and bolding.)

Besides - the sweeping of the legs by a cougar would certainly not break them.
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That's an interesting take on the article. However I'm of the opinion that the article is not flawed and does not present conflicting information.

Sweeping the rear legs is certainly one of the tricks of the trade of a Cougar kill. I don't think anyone can argue successfully that it never happens or that the prey's bones aren't broken during the kill. In fact, the Cougar relies on broken bones from the first pounce to disable the prey. If the prey is not disabled from the first pounce, it must dig in with it's claws to hold the prey while delivering the killing bite. (Whether that bite delivers a broken neck or simply subdues the prey by suffocation.)

Now don't get me wrong. I'm simply putting forth a possible explanation for Northern Lights' bone find. It's merely my opinion that remains from a Cougar kill could be suspect. We'll never know the actual culprit for certain so a few guesses is about all we'll ever have. If you have a different guess that's great. 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Exactly which part of my statement would you like for me to qualify that you cannot do so yourself with a simple google search?
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You made the statement. Back it up.

ETA: Not that it matters much in the overall theme of this particular campfire story.
 
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Drewbot said:
NL, youre GPS coords are 18000 feet from the nearest mapped road. So you found a spot 3 miles from a mapped road. Congratulations.

Now, were these bones found at those coords?
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He already said that they were not. He's just playing silly games here.
 
Resume said:
You made the statement. Back it up.

ETA: Not that it matters much in the overall theme of this particular campfire story.
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"Cougars are not made for a sustained chase; they are tremendous sprinters, like cheetahs. When hunting, they carefully locate and then stalk their prey from under cover of foliage. Particularly with deer, cougars select individuals who are old, injured, or diseased. This helps to keep the deer population strong, as the healthiest animals live to reproduce. When within striking distance (30 feet or less), the lion unleashes its power in a short, bounding dash, leaping on the target and knocking it down. The force of this pounce is often enough to kill small animals. With larger prey, the cougar aims its leap to land on the animal's back. If the initial impact does not break the prey's neck, the lion will deliver a killing bite."

http://www.chintiminiwildlife.org/Education/WildNatHist/Cougar.htm

Next please.
Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
"Cougars are not made for a sustained chase; they are tremendous sprinters, like cheetahs. When hunting, they carefully locate and then stalk their prey from under cover of foliage. Particularly with deer, cougars select individuals who are old, injured, or diseased. This helps to keep the deer population strong, as the healthiest animals live to reproduce. When within striking distance (30 feet or less), the lion unleashes its power in a short, bounding dash, leaping on the target and knocking it down. The force of this pounce is often enough to kill small animals. With larger prey, the cougar aims its leap to land on the animal's back. If the initial impact does not break the prey's neck, the lion will deliver a killing bite."

http://www.chintiminiwildlife.org/Education/WildNatHist/Cougar.htm

Next please.
Chris B.
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Not what you claimed.
Sweeping the rear legs is certainly one of the tricks of the trade of a Cougar kill. I don't think anyone can argue successfully that it never happens or that the prey's bones aren't broken during the kill. In fact, the Cougar relies on broken bones from the first pounce to disable the prey
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We're examining broken hind legs in this campfire story. Not a neck. But you knew that. You can't get a next without specifically addressing the first.

ETA: And it still doesn't matter in this campfire story. Far more likely is a human dispatched and field dressed the animal. No one here is a forensic scientist with the ability to determine the circumstances involving those fractures from the suppled photo. It doesn't matter if your link supported your claim; probably not what occurred.

ETA II: Though I will happily accept "random, wandering cougar done it," over "bigfoot done it" any day of the week
 
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Resume said:
Not what you claimed.

We're examining broken hind legs in this campfire story. Not a neck. But you knew that. You can't get a next without specifically addressing the first.

ETA: And it still doesn't matter in this campfire story. Far more likely is a human dispatched and field dressed the animal. No one here is a forensic scientist with the ability to determine the circumstances involving those fractures from the suppled photo. It doesn't matter if your link supported your claim; probably not what occurred.

ETA II: Though I will happily accept "random, wandering cougar done it," over "bigfoot done it" any day of the week
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Ah, now we're going back to my earlier post as opposed to one cherry picked sentence from my latter post. The link from that statement is in the earlier post.

Is it just me or does it seem that a Bigfoot proponent must qualify every word of every sentence here?

Regardless, it's still my opinion that a Cougar is more likely the culprit. If this be the case it's my opinion the broken leg bones are likely a result of the kill.

Now if you suggest I need to qualify my opinion we have a problem. You'll need to read up on Cougars to determine why I feel the way I do. I can't do that for you. I would suggest Cougar, The American Lion by Kevin Hansen.
Chris B.
 
So in this broken legs story, was any of the rest of the skeleton found? It would seem a little odd to find a pair of leg bones neatly laid beside each other like that, and no other bits scattered around, if the culprit was either a wild animal devouring prey or a secretive bigfoot trying to hide its very existence.
 
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