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More than happy to entertain other explanations.

You seem to be missing the point here.

Discarding, for the moment, everything else that's wrong with your proposal, you said that you found these three miles from the nearest road.

Three miles.

A mythological nine-foot ape-man has been living and hunting within three miles of humans, and yet, somehow, not only has it avoided detection for millennia, even now, with people actively looking for it, the most compelling evidence you have is two broken bones.

Animal bones.

In the wild.

Are you starting to see the issue here?
 
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"Cougars use their paws and claws to trip prey (i.e. a swat to the rear legs) or grab it with their claws, then use their claws to hold their prey while delivering the kill-bite."

Quote from: http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/cougars.html

That is from the preamble that the rest of the article does not agree with.

About a quarter of the way down the page:

Figure 3. Cougars are a stalk and wait predators and the majority of prey is killed by a sudden explosive burst of speed with the attack focused from the front shoulder forward, where the cougar can grasp the neck to break the neck or suffocate and kill.
(Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.)

(my color and bolding.)

Besides - the sweeping of the legs by a cougar would certainly not break them.
 
PDF on fracture.

Pages 3/4 (Carnivore gnawing and bone fracturing) discusses how certain fractures and breaks occur through gnawing, and later movement/trampling. The drawing on page 4 might be of interest as well.
The PDF is a scan, so the images are a bit rubbish.
 
Oh, and here's one with far too much science in it for me to read, but it covers the different sorts of fracturing you get dependent on bone condition.

If anyone has nothing more interesting to do...:)
 
If these bones were the result of carnivore or scavenger activity I think it's really odd that they would be found together with one laying neatly on the other. There's no evidence of chewing nor of decomposition stain on the surrounding foliage nor any hairs. It doesn't appear that any rodents have gnawed.

I'm inclined to say that they were placed there by a person in the position and condition that we see. It could be a hoax by a person who knows that bones with this kind of break have previously been attributed to Bigfoot. If it is a hoax then I say again that the most likely candidate is the person presenting the evidence or a close associate. It would be no lucky accident at all that the bones were "found".

I do not believe this to be a hoax, simply because of where it was found. Hoaxers intend to have their work found, so they would leave it in an area that is likely to be discovered. Where this was found was not anywhere close to a trail and we were bushwhacking through the bog. It was extremely thick and very slow going.

I would agree. NL did you find these bones like this or put them there, together for your picture?

This is how they were found. Here is the skull.

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I do not believe this to be a hoax, simply because of where it was found. Hoaxers intend to have their work found, so they would leave it in an area that is likely to be discovered. Where this was found was not anywhere close to a trail and we were bushwhacking through the bog. It was extremely thick and very slow going.
Well, you got there, and you guys are just playing around. How hard could it be?

Since there have been many feet walking that ground for eons, not very difficult. Hunter (legal or not) busted a deer, looks to be a doe, harvested what he wanted, left the rest for porky and his forest friends. Easy-peasy, no footie necessary.

ETA: And this is giving you and your story the benefit of the doubt.
 
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NL, youre GPS coords are 18000 feet from the nearest mapped road. So you found a spot 3 miles from a mapped road. Congratulations.

Now, were these bones found at those coords?

I'm thinking that a Grey Wolf would have no trouble snapping the long bones of a deer, when they are still fresh. They torque the bone using leverage, and green bones often snap in a spiral fashion. Wolves do this to Moose bones, so I have no doubt they could break a deer bone in the same fashion.
 
I'm thinking that a Grey Wolf would have no trouble snapping the long bones of a deer, when they are still fresh. They torque the bone using leverage, and green bones often snap in a spiral fashion. Wolves do this to Moose bones, so I have no doubt they could break a deer bone in the same fashion.
Both bones are broken in the exact same location and in the exact same way. Does that not intrigue you and fuel your thinking? It looks like they came out of a factory where the workers are instructed to break bones in a precise location and in a precise way and then do absolutely nothing to the rest of the bone.

I don't want to stop your investigation but I have to ask you why you are thinking wolf.
 
"It was extremely thick and very slow going." - NL

So where was the trail that the 9ft tall 800Lb bigfoot used? You claimed previously to find BF trails near your camp. How would footie walk thru brush that you were "bushwacking" and not leave a trail? Do you think he was swinging from tree to tree? I mean, that's what they do in Oklahoma...right? It all comes together now. The reason nobody ever sees them is they aren't looking up! This BLAARGing stuff is fun for all, isn't it!
 
http://www.bear-tracker.com/wolves.html

I know that wolves crack open deer legs. They chew on the bulbous end, or lever the bone until it cracks. I would assume that most femur breaks are around that position on the femur.

You can see 3 or 4 examples of a wolf broken bone near the hip on the above website. It's just how they do it. I don't know if the bone give at the point it gets larger before the joint or why, but the breaks are typically within 6" of the end of the bone.
 
More Info from a study I couldn't find yesterday.
Utilization and Skeletal Disturbances of North American Prey Carcasses

In most cases, when single limb bones or carcasses of
Equus or Bos were fed to captive wolves, one or both
epiphyseal ends of long bones were gnaweda way, producing
open-ended diaphyseal cylinders. Nearly 75% of hundreds
of recovered bones and fragments were markedb y
teeth scratches, furrows, or crushed tissue. Many long
bones of Equus or Bos had been broken into spiral and
other types of fractures. In tibiae, fracturing begins atth e
proximal end, following destructioonf the epiphysis (Haynes,
in press b). Femora are fractured from either end, following
removal of epiphyses; humeri are fractured first from
the proximal end. Fracture margins are mixtures of rounded
and sharp edges. Edges of levered-off fragments are initially
sharp until abraded by rubbing against the ground,
teeth, paws, and tongue.
I term this kind of damage a kennel pattern (Haynes,
1981), mostly diagnostic of sustained gnawing by sedentary
animals that need not hunt often or for most of their
diet. Bison or moose bones found at rendezvous sites in
the wild are occasionally damagedin a kennel pattern (Fig.
2; Haynes, in press b), but evidently such sites are less
common than those with less-scarred bones. Thus, a kennel
pattern is typically inflicted by captive animals, but
much less commonly by wild animals.

http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/Arctic35-2-266.pdf
 
"It was extremely thick and very slow going." - NL

So where was the trail that the 9ft tall 800Lb bigfoot used? You claimed previously to find BF trails near your camp. How would footie walk thru brush that you were "bushwacking" and not leave a trail? Do you think he was swinging from tree to tree? I mean, that's what they do in Oklahoma...right? It all comes together now. The reason nobody ever sees them is they aren't looking up! This BLAARGing stuff is fun for all, isn't it!

Your moniker is especially apt today.

Yep.

I always wonder if proponents hypothesize these forest giants take a different route every time they venture off on a foraging foray in order to not leave a trace. I mean, otherwise . . .
 
^^ Thanks. Even a blind Pig bigfoot finds an acorn a Good-N-Plenty once in awhile.
 
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I don't see anything particularly bigfoot-related about any of these claims.

A couple of broken deer legs... wolf, black bear, or human are easily more likely. A deer that had been hit by a truck and then dragged a ways by scavengers would be my guess. There's just no reason to attribute something so ordinary to bf.


The sometimes just under, sometimes over 6 ft pile of corn? Look, if a BF were caching corn for the winter, is an open big pile where crows, deer, and every other animal can get right at it really a good caching strategy? Why not in a hollow log or a cave? Why not dig a pit or at least attempt to hide it in some way? Sounds very much like deer baiting to me.

Good N Plenty shouldn't even be dignified with a serious response, IMO.
 
Maybe this particular footie grew tired of mere stick structures. He's like an avant garde artiste in his community. Probably the same individual who is not satisfied with throwing simple rocks-- no, he likes to toss candy.

Minnesota must be the Greenwhich Village of footie land.
 
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I think what is obviously at play here is that when you're out looking for bigfoot, you quickly accept you're not going to find him. So after about 10 minutes, you start looking for things caused by bigfoot as consolation.

Things that would appear normal to people who ordinarily spend time in the woods, like deer bones, crunched beech nuts on a rock, tree breaks or other things that hikers, fly fishermen, mushroom hunters wouldn't bat an eye at suddenly become "evidence". It kills me.

Come on... if the corn pile were surrounded by 18" barefoot, human-like tracks, fine bring it forward, be amazed, whatever... Step up the game NL!
 
The shin is cut off and left behind by most hunters. An axe is pretty standard equipment in any hunters field dressing kit. This seems like the most likely explanation.

NL, Did you find any other bones or were the rest packed out and processed at the hunters house?

Also could you respond to my question about trauma to the joints resulting from the twisting of the legs
 

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