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William Parcher said:
Yet his victims seem to have been random and almost entirely white. I'm not denying that he associated with white supremacy but how are we to link his actions yesterday with that ideology?
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Breivik's 77 victims were also almost entirely white too. White supremacists don't just hate non-white people. They really, really, really hate the vast majority of white people (race traitors) who are perfectly content allowing their white society to be polluted by the influx of others.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Life in prison. Maybe the death penalty because it's Florida, but I'm predicting life without parole. Then maybe suicide while in jail?

Look at the outcomes in this Wiki list of school shootings.

Interesting also to see that there are many countries included. Maybe it is not just in the US this mostly happens. But we do have more.

1 - UK
3 - Brazil
5 - Canada
6- Germany
18 - China
39 - US
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There's an awful lot missing from the total for US school shootings. There have been 8 so far just this year.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I find that suspiciously like a white supremacist trying to milk some publicity for his group out of the shooting. Maybe the kid went to a couple 'training' events. Until the police tell us they found all sorts of literature from the group or for the cause, this aspect stands as coincidental at the moment.

Though this kind of thing doesn't surprise me:It's the idea Cruz was an active member of a supremacist group that I would like to see more evidence of.
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Just to be clear: you're saying his white-supremacist-leaning social media postings and a leader of a local white supremacy organization confirming he was a member of the group and attended group events with other group members, do not constitute sufficient evidence that he was a member of the white supremacist group?
 
Checkmite said:
Just to be clear: you're saying his white-supremacist-leaning social media postings and a leader of a local white supremacy organization confirming he was a member of the group and attended group events with other group members, do not constitute sufficient evidence that he was a member of the white supremacist group?
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Correct. It makes sense. The leader could be trying to tie an independent white supremacist to his cause. It is the same way ISIS claims every Muslim attacker was one of theirs.
 
Checkmite said:
Just to be clear: you're saying his white-supremacist-leaning social media postings and a leader of a local white supremacy organization confirming he was a member of the group and attended group events with other group members, do not constitute sufficient evidence that he was a member of the white supremacist group?
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I get the argument. I mean, every time there is a bombing, "ISIS" (or, formerly, Al Queda) takes credit, regardless of whether there was any connection with them.

I will admit, the moron from the ROF seems awfully giddy about taking credit. Maybe it's because he can, though.
 
Students knew this guy was going to shoot up the school, but they didn't say anything. Folks: Always, always report to the police. We should not be blaming the gun; we should be blaming the classmates who did nothing (and the shooter, who was a troubled young man, but had excellent taste in politicians).
 
Cain said:
Students knew this guy was going to shoot up the school, but they didn't say anything. Folks: Always, always report to the police. We should not be blaming the gun; we should be blaming the classmates who did nothing (and the shooter, who was a troubled young man, but had excellent taste in politicians).
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Dude, you are supposed to be satirical and not just parrot the President. It blows your schtick.

Of course, the guy WAS reported to the Feds months ago and they didn't do anything about him.
 
pgwenthold said:
Dude, you are supposed to be satirical and not just parrot the President. It blows your schtick.

Of course, the guy WAS reported to the Feds months ago and they didn't do anything about him.
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Well.the schtick got really old a long time ago.....
 
Checkmite said:
Just to be clear: you're saying his white-supremacist-leaning social media postings and a leader of a local white supremacy organization confirming he was a member of the group and attended group events with other group members, do not constitute sufficient evidence that he was a member of the white supremacist group?
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People just go to white supremeists meeting for the coffee and cookies....
 
I will try to state this clearly:

The evidence that Cruz was a member of a white supremists group seems very strong;
what is not very strong ..at the moment....is evidence that whise supremists ideology was the main motive behind the shootings.
White Supremacy is sick;Cruz was very sick, but he might have had more then one form of sickiness.
 
zooterkin said:
There's an awful lot missing from the total for US school shootings. There have been 8 so far just this year.
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Seems in my haste I lacked proper precision in my post.

This is the Wiki title: List of school massacres by death toll

My apologies for the misstatements, they were not intended. I wouldn't even have linked to it in this thread had the question not been asked what next. I had been perusing multiple sites and recalled that one listed outcomes: mostly killed at the scene, killed themselves or life in prison.

Then it caught my eye how many country flags were shown, thus my added point.
 
Checkmite said:
Just to be clear: you're saying his white-supremacist-leaning social media postings and a leader of a local white supremacy organization confirming he was a member of the group and attended group events with other group members, do not constitute sufficient evidence that he was a member of the white supremacist group?
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Nope, you are conflating all the information as if we got it all at once. The white supremacy info trickled out. The first I saw was this guy coming forward to say Cruz was one of them but he'd never met Cruz.

You are repeating my first conclusion which I ended with the caveat, more info might come out.

At the moment, I still think the group is looking for publicity. I still don't know at this point just how involved with the group it will turn out Cruz had.

Clearly he echoed sentiments along that line.
 
dudalb said:
I will try to state this clearly:

The evidence that Cruz was a member of a white supremists group seems very strong;
what is not very strong ..at the moment....is evidence that whise supremists ideology was the main motive behind the shootings.
White Supremacy is sick;Cruz was very sick, but he might have had more then one form of sickiness.
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Then there is the question how much association with group that advocates violence as a solution leads to favoring violent solutions to other problems.
 
Cain said:
Students knew this guy was going to shoot up the school, but they didn't say anything.
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Which students? The ones who stayed home from school yesterday?

Anyway, I read that he was expelled more than a year ago. There were probably many students at that school who just thought he was gone after the expulsion.
 
The Republic of Florida ...the White Supremist group that Cruz apparently belonged to..claims as one it's goals to organize an all white republic somewhere in Florida.
I say give them their request. Give them a few acres in the remotest part of the Everglades or Okfanokee swamp ,or mayve some small island in the Florida keys not close to the causeway, and let them move their,and not bother the rest of Florida with their company...
 
Cain said:
Students knew this guy was going to shoot up the school, but they didn't say anything. Folks: Always, always report to the police. We should not be blaming the gun; we should be blaming the classmates who did nothing (and the shooter, who was a troubled young man, but had excellent taste in politicians).
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Your satire fails with misinformation. The kid was reported by students, Cruz was expelled. There are reports that police and or FBI had crossed this guy's path but didn't act or weren't able to or did but didn't do enough.
 
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