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lionking said:
I don't even agree with your first point. There are many instances of fully sane, rational people killing multiple times. You can't automatically declare them insane if that word is to retain its intended meaning.
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I disagree ... level headed, sane people do not do this kind of thing, its simple as that.
 
Travis said:
I love that they are showing that picture of him in the MAGA hat over and over again.

I guess The_Donald and other places were wrong, wrong, wrong that he would turn out to be a Hillary voting illegal.
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I could hear the internet-wide building climax of smug yesterday evening after his last name was revealed. Nothing but crickets today. And the occasional Russian bot still claiming he's a registered Dem anti-fascist.
 
dudalb said:
A number of messed up Hispanics trying to join White Supremist Groups use the "Pure Castillian Blood" routine.

Next he will be be claiming he is a direct descendent of El Cid.....
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I suppose that "Castilian" is meant to demonstrate "purity of blood" without Jewish or Moorish admixture, as was required in Spain for high office in State or Church. But why "Castilian"? Will Basque or Aragonese not do equally well?

There were, it is true, Jews and Moors in Aragon after they had been expelled from Castile, but after the expulsion of the Jews in 1492 and of the Moors in 1609 from the whole of Spain, I suppose all Spanish blood was equally "clean" by KKK standards.
 
Checkmite said:
Ah yes of course, that makes sense - except for the fact that I can't come up with an example of another white supremacist group in America doing that in the aftermath of any other school/mass shooting, which suggests it would be relatively unprecedented for it to suddenly start happening now.
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There wasn't a white supremacist shooter to claim before.
 
The FBI is saying that they could not locate the person who posted about wanting to be a professional school shooter. They are not saying that they knew who made the post but couldn't find him - they are saying that they couldn't identify who had actually posted it.

Additionally they said that they had no records of any issues concerning a person of that name.
 
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Travis said:
I love that they are showing that picture of him in the MAGA hat over and over again.

I guess The_Donald and other places were wrong, wrong, wrong that he would turn out to be a Hillary voting illegal.
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I heard the MS 13 crap the day this happened.
 
dudalb said:
A number of messed up Hispanics trying to join White Supremist Groups use the "Pure Castillian Blood" routine.

Next he will be be claiming he is a direct descendent of El Cid.....
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...played in film by demented gun nut Chuckie Heston.

Of course, "now is not the time to talk about guns" is being parroted over and over by Republican politicians. Jefferson Davis Sessions this morning managed to segue it into some sheriff worship.
 
lionking said:
I don't even agree with your first point. There are many instances of fully sane, rational people killing multiple times. You can't automatically declare them insane if that word is to retain its intended meaning.
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Got an example?

I suppose if you take, 'has really serious anger management issues' out of the insane column you might have a case.

I keep it in the insane column myself when it is so extreme it leads to acting out like this.
 
Civet said:
So you're saying that this individual - a suspected MS-13 member who came to this country through chain migration according to unnamed sources1 - wore a MAGA hat in order to falsely smear Trump supporters? This goes deeper that I might have expected.

1. Some dude on reddit.
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I don't doubt they are already linking it to Soros somehow.

Checkmite said:
I could hear the internet-wide building climax of smug yesterday evening after his last name was revealed. Nothing but crickets today. And the occasional Russian bot still claiming he's a registered Dem anti-fascist.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I heard the MS 13 crap the day this happened.
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ANTIFA was the boogeyman of last year. Since Trump is still a corrupt idiot they will constantly need new boogeymen. MS-13 is a great candidate to be on every right wing nutjob's tongue for the foreseeable future.
 
William Parcher said:
The FBI is saying that they could not locate the person who posted about wanting to be a professional school shooter. They are not saying that they knew who made the post but couldn't find him - they are saying that they couldn't identify who had actually posted it.

Additionally they said that they had no records of any issues concerning a person of that name.
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Which leads to a couple other lines of inquiry, did Twitter not cooperate, sharing the account name? Did the FBI not seek a warrant? And what other social media threats are they ignoring because they can't get a warrant or didn't bother given thousands of similar threats are probably a common thing that can be found on social media? And, why did they not at least put the name in a data base in case more came up about the guy?
 
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Trebuchet said:
...Of course, "now is not the time to talk about guns" is being parroted over and over by Republican politicians. Jefferson Davis Sessions this morning managed to segue it into some sheriff worship.
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Samantha Bee - Full Frontal last night had that one covered. Skip ahead to 3:40. Start at minute 5 if you are pressed for time. The irony sucks today. (caution language)



Sessions is all for the legislation promoting The F.B.I.’s Dangerous Crackdown on ‘Black Identity Extremists’ Now those dangerous gun toters need to be stopped. :rolleyes:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I want the privacy protections but I would like to see some kind of legislation making it so people making certain threats can be outed.
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How about the FBI hacking into cellphones when they don't have the password? Should the phone manufacturers cooperate and open that door for law enforcement?

Quick answer so it isn't a derail.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Same argument though.

I want the privacy protections but I would like to see some kind of legislation making it so people making certain threats can be outed.
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Does anyone in the U.S. have a reasonable expectation of privacy when they post threats on social media? I wouldn't think so. Or are you thinking of other ways of making threats?
 
Trebuchet said:
...played in film by demented gun nut Chuckie Heston.

Of course, "now is not the time to talk about guns" is being parroted over and over by Republican politicians. Jefferson Davis Sessions this morning managed to segue it into some sheriff worship.
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Thing is, multi-victim shooting are so frequent here that it is quite simply never the time to have that talk if we have to wait for some cooling off period.
 
His public defense attorneys are setting the stage...

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His attorneys did not specifically say Thursday that he had confessed to the shooting, nor did they explicitly deny his involvement, describing him as a “broken young man “ who is “very saddened” by what happened.

“This is an emotionally broken young man,” Gordon Weekes, the public defender, told reporters, adding that Cruz was on suicide watch. “He has been through a lot of trauma. He has suffered significant mental illness, and significant mental trauma.”
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