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Reports say that he had been in mental health treatment but had not been back to the clinic in more than a year.
 
Civet said:
HuffPost is saying white supremacist.
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So is just about every new outlet.

What is interesting is that in his shooting spree he did not..at least as far as we know...single out students because of race. So yeah, the guy was a white surpremist,indicative of a sick mind, but whether this was a direct motive for the shootings remains unknown at this point.

I am not trying to excuse White Supremists Groups, who I despise, just saying it is not yet known if this was a motivation for the shootings.
 
cullennz said:
How exactly does having tighter gun controls around what sort of citizens can legally obtain guns give the police more power to abuse?
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This is how my home state of WA tried to do it. Register certain types of guns then allow the police to search the homes of the owners without a warrant. This would be an abuse of our protection against unreasonable searches.

Our Senators tried three times in eight years to push this bill through committee. The last time they tried even the liberal newspapers in Seattle thought it was screwed up. When questioned by reporters one Senator (he resigned in disgrace last year) admitted it might be unconstitutional, another claimed she never read the bill and the prime sponsor said he had intended to change it but didn't until called on it yet again.
 
kali1137 said:
I'm thinking it would have the opposite affect. Police would not be able to cry gun and shoot nearly as often if guns were no longer an every day thing.
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They cry "gun" when there isn't one or claim "I felt threatened" to justify killing a person. There are several threads about this. Recall the poor man who was crawling towards the police begging not to be shot before he was murdered? Or the man who was swatted online and then killed by the police who were across the street from him? Guns could be banned and actual possession greatly reduced, but as long as a police officer is allowed to say he saw a gun or felt threatened, their victims will get no justice.
 
arthwollipot said:
They totally can.
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The conclusion is telling...

They concluded that the discrepancy, like so many other anomalies of American violence, came down to guns.

More gun ownership corresponds with more gun murders across virtually every axis: among developed countries, among American states, among American towns and cities and when controlling for crime rates. And gun control legislation tends to reduce gun murders, according to a recent analysis of 130 studies from 10 countries.

This suggests that the guns themselves cause the violence

... but will be handwaved away by gun nuts because "muh guns".
 
Cain said:
"About a year ago I saw him upset in the morning," student Brent Black told ABC News. "And I was like, 'yo what’s wrong with you?' And he was like 'umm, don’t know.' And I was like 'what’s up with you?' He's like 'I swear to God I'll shoot up this school.'"

A young man who keeps his promises. Also, smart move with the fire alarm. I don't think I've seen that before. ...
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It's been done. Two kids triggered a fire alarm and picked kids off from some distance away as the kids fled the building.

Johnson and Golden now in jail until they turn 21.
Golden pulled the fire alarm while Johnson took the weapons to the woods outside of the school. Golden then ran back to the woods where Johnson had taken the weapons. When children and teachers filed out of the school, the two boys opened fire. The boys killed four female students and one teacher and wounded ten others. Golden and Johnson attempted to run back to the van and escape, but police captured them. The boys evidently planned to run away, as they had food, sleeping bags, and survival gear in their van.
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OMG, they're out already and one of them has tried to acquire a concealed weapons permit!
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Johnson was released on his 21st birthday, August 11, 2005, having spent seven years in prison.[6]

Golden was released on May 25, 2007, also his 21st birthday, after spending nine years in prison.[7] Golden's precise whereabouts were unknown until he applied for a concealed weapon permit in Arkansas on October 7, 2008, under the name he now uses, Drew Douglas Grant. His application was denied by the Arkansas State Police, who noted that Golden had lied on the application about his previous residences and declared it was illegal for Golden to own or possess a firearm. The assumed name that Golden was using had been unknown up until this point due to a gag order, but police were able to tie Andrew Golden to Grant through fingerprint records during the background check for the permit.[8]
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Ranb said:
They cry "gun" when there isn't one or claim "I felt threatened" to justify killing a person. There are several threads about this. Recall the poor man who was crawling towards the police begging not to be shot before he was murdered? Or the man who was swatted online and then killed by the police who were across the street from him? Guns could be banned and actual possession greatly reduced, but as long as a police officer is allowed to say he saw a gun or felt threatened, their victims will get no justice.
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This.
 
William Parcher said:
Yet his victims seem to have been random and almost entirely white. I'm not denying that he associated with white supremacy but how are we to link his actions yesterday with that ideology?

The victims...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...im-Florida-high-school-massacre-pictured.html
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If I was the DA prosecution this case (although if ever there was an open and shut case as far as the suspect having done the crime this is one) I would not want to present his membership in a Neo Nazi group as a main motivation at this point.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's been done. Two kids triggered a fire alarm and picked kids off from some distance away as the kids fled the building.

Mitchell and Golden now in jail until they turn 21.
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The Columbine shooters also tried something similar, but it didn't work. They had made homemade propane-tank bombs and put them in their cars, timed to go off during lunch period, assuming that the school would trigger the fire alarm and start evacuating once that happened. They were going to shoot the kids evacuating from the cafeteria and positioned themselves to do so.

But the bombs didn't go off. They had also set another one a few miles away to send emergency crews in the wrong direction - that didn't work either.

Entering the building to get at the kids was done only after the other elements of their plan didn't work.
 
Rolfe said:
This one seems unusual in that the shooter is still alive. What happens next?
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Life in prison. Maybe the death penalty because it's Florida, but I'm predicting life without parole. Then maybe suicide while in jail?

Look at the outcomes in this Wiki list of school shootings.

Interesting also to see that there are many countries included. Maybe it is not just in the US this mostly happens. But we do have more.

1 - UK
3 - Brazil
5 - Canada
6- Germany
18 - China
39 - US
 
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The whole world is now being told he is a white supremacist. But the pictures of his victims show something else - he didn't target non-whites at all.

It looks like this spree killing was not motivated by white supremacy. Some explanation needs to be presented because it appears that he betrayed white supremacy in a very big dramatic way.
 
William Parcher said:
Yet his victims seem to have been random and almost entirely white. I'm not denying that he associated with white supremacy but how are we to link his actions yesterday with that ideology?

The victims...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...im-Florida-high-school-massacre-pictured.html
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Can't know for sure unless he tells the cops & they tell us, but I can say that my wife isn't very well liked by WS folk due to being married to a black guy. "Race traitors" & all that.
 
dudalb said:
Sadly, Feb 14th, 1929, is not the only "St Valentine's Day Massacre" in US History.
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Do you think that if 8 guys were shot now in one incident in the USA it would be remembered 90 years later? Nine years later? Nine months later?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Look at the outcomes in this Wiki list of school shootings.

Interesting also to see that there are many countries included. Maybe it is not just in the US this mostly happens.
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A number of those were planned attacks by organized terrorist groups, which is a bit different than what the U.S. has been experiencing. Cull out the terror groups, and the U.S. stands out even more.

ETA: For whatever it is worth, you have also mis-identified it as "School shootings". Not all were shootings. The Cologne school massacre was done with a homemade lance, a homemade mace, and a homemade flamethrower. The Anne Anne Kindergarten was a stabbing.
 
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Tony said:
Yeah, no. You're delusional if you think the police would spontaneously reform themselves if guns became more restricted.
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Why would anyone expect the police to reform themselves? This is a job for government, governance and oversight. And there is absolutely no reason why changing the gun laws would stop reform of the police in the way I describe.
 
And Surprise, Surprise, Surprise:
Alex Jones is already pushing conspiracy crap about the shootings.
 
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