Roseanne Barr off the air

cullennz said:
Lol

Far out the US does faux collective outrage better than any other group
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I (being from the US) dislike people bashing every single thing about it.

But I have to agree with this.

I honestly don't care when an actor/entertainer/writer is exposed as someone with unsavory qualities.

If I liked a Mel Gibson film before I learned what a racist, anti-semitic ass he was, I still like it. If I liked a Bill Cosby routine before I learned about him, I still like that.

If I stopped watching all the TV and films that I liked because someone involved was an *******, I wouldn't have much left.

ETA: That doesn't mean I disagree with the actions of her colleagues. I wouldn't want to work with her again.
 
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This is one of those, unforced errors. It's one thing if you say something unguarded and ill-considered when a reporter jams a microphone in your face. All she had to do here to keep the millions of dollars and the adulation was nothing. Fans of her show were not waiting in breathless anticipation for her next tweet. They wanted to watch the next episode of her show. Even worse when apparently the network had warned her.
 
Craig4 said:
This is one of those, unforced errors. It's one thing if you say something unguarded and ill-considered when a reporter jams a microphone in your face. All she had to do here to keep the millions of dollars and the adulation was nothing. Fans of her show were not waiting in breathless anticipation for her next tweet. They wanted to watch the next episode of her show. Even worse when apparently the network had warned her.
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Yeah, lots of people went to a great effort to bring this show back, and she destroyed it.

I know she probably never has to work again, but a lot of people trusted her, and she pretty much **** on them.
 
Mumbles said:
.... Third, wanna know why I wasn't discussing the Harvard study estimating that the official death toll in Puerto Rico from the hurricane was off by a factor of 70? Because I pretty much expected it, so it's not "news" to me. Remember what I said about Dolt 45 above - he does not care if he could have prevented thousands of Hispanic people from dying. I'm just shocked he wasn't dancing on the balcony on the White House lawn...
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And the immigrant children story. I agree, the mainstream news media's for profit business model/news as a commodity sucks.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
yeah, Sykes is the real bad guy here. : rolleyes :
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Not at all. I think ponderingturtle is way off base with their theory of why Sykes is disassociating herself from Barr.

This black lesbian was willing to associate with Barr, to take a job as head writer on her show, to take a producer credit... Her choices have been more complicated than pt suggests. I don't think that makes her the bad guy here.

Its nice when people make their ... biases ... so obvious.
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Maybe you should spend less time trying to sniff out nonexistent bias to fit your lying narrative, and more time thinking about and discussing what actually happpened.
 
TheGoldcountry said:
Yeah, lots of people went to a great effort to bring this show back, and she destroyed it.

I know she probably never has to work again, but a lot of people trusted her, and she pretty much **** on them.
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At 0245 the only thing that you absolutely have to tell someone right away is "there's a fire" or "the building is collapsing". Everything else can wait until you've slept on it.
 
Arisia said:
Does anyone know where her 'Soros helped the Nazis and betrayed his fellow Jews to steal their wealth!' stuff came from? Having been born in August of 1930, Soros was 14 years old when WWII ended, so he must have been a child prodigy at betrayal and theft!
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A meme that circulates quite a bit on conservative social media shows an SS officer in a picture then claims that it was George Soros who supposedly did all sorts of awful Nazi stuff during WW2 making himself rich so that he can now fund liberal causes.


Giordano said:
I find myself somewhat reassured by the observation that so far the mainstream news outlets (and the posters in this thread) largely agree that the tweet was obviously racist and, that taken together with Roseanne Barr's history of bizarre statements, the cancellation of the show was therefore inevitable. Even Fox did not attempt include a defense of Barr or a swipe at "liberals" in their reporting of the event.

I find the whole thing fascinating when I consider that here is a person wholast night was sitting on top of the world, but just 56 characters and a few hours later she is without a job and the object of worldwide condemnation and rejection. A strong reinforcement of what my mom used to tell me: "Think before you say anything."

Hard not to walk away from one's computer shaking one's head thinking, "Stupid ass..."
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Reminds me of that time I saw a Kevin Hart film.... no wait... I'm white and college educated.


theprestige said:
Stand up comedy is absolutely acting. On top of everything else people have told you is wrong with your idea.
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Sara Gilbert was killing it in the show before this all happened.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And the immigrant children story. I agree, the mainstream news media's for profit business model/news as a commodity sucks.
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How do you even know about the Puerto Rico study and the lost children? Because the mainstream media have reported on them and commented on them extensively. And that's all they can do. The rest is up to the citizens who elected the leaders who are getting away with this stuff.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't see a lot of acting there, mostly reading one liners. But it's off topic so I agree to disagree.
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It's not a matter of opinion. Actors on sitcoms are performing from scripts provided to them by stables of writers. If you've ever paid attention to celebrity gossip, you know that many of these people had extensive acting and performance backgrounds before they got their sitcoms, and their personal lives have no relationship -- often tragically -- to the characters they play.

To take one example (admittedly atypical), clueless, ditzy Elaine on Seinfeld was played by a child of one of the oldest, wealthiest old-money families in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Louis-Dreyfus

And acting is supposed to look effortless and believable. If you can see it, it's bad acting.
 
applecorped said:
And ABC will keep all of that tainted racist money that advertisers paid. And those companies that advertised on her show will probably all make large donations to assuage their guilt.
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Separating racist from their money is a good thing.
 
Bob001 said:
How do you even know about the Puerto Rico study and the lost children? Because the mainstream media have reported on them and commented on them extensively. And that's all they can do. The rest is up to the citizens who elected the leaders who are getting away with this stuff.
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I'm not saying zero coverage, I'm saying disproportionate coverage based on importance.

Just after my post though, Chris Hayes on MSNBC covered both stories and they have a special town hall on racism.

The Roseanne story is possibly winding down.
 
DGM said:
I didn't know she was on the air...........Not watching network TV or news is really a blessing*...:)

* Really, no idea what she said or would I care.......I'm fairly sure I couldn't care enough to be offended.
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theprestige said:
Not at all. I think ponderingturtle is way off base with their theory of why Sykes is disassociating herself from Barr.

This black lesbian was willing to associate with Barr, to take a job as head writer on her show, to take a producer credit... Her choices have been more complicated than pt suggests. I don't think that makes her the bad guy here.
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I think it helps to keep in mind that the TV show and Roseanne Barr are two different things.

The show was certainly not all that bad, as sitcoms go. It was a relatively (surprisingly?) faithful recreation of the original. It dealt with some tough social issues with a certain amount of compassion and enlightenment. It didn't try to make virtues out the obvious flaws in the characters. It was an All In The Family sort of presentation of modern life for the blue collar class.


None of the writers and few (perhaps only one) of the actors were trying to make statements in support of bigotry or intolerance. Quite the opposite.

Roseanne put her personal opinions out in front of the show's message, and (consider the show's title) they have become inextricably entangled, but they are not and never were the same thing.
 
Travis said:
A meme that circulates quite a bit on conservative social media shows an SS officer in a picture then claims that it was George Soros who supposedly did all sorts of awful Nazi stuff during WW2 making himself rich so that he can now fund liberal causes.





Reminds me of that time I saw a Kevin Hart film.... no wait... I'm white and college educated.





Sara Gilbert was killing it in the show before this all happened.
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Well it's true that he did go around with a Nazi to examine and seize Jewish property. He was a kid at the time and didn't really have much of a choice.
 
Craig4 said:
I think Steve Martin said that comedy is the hardest form of acting. Funny is the one thing you can't pretend to be.
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Stand-ups tend to play exaggerated versions of themselves. Roseanne Barr plays a character named Rosanne. Tim Allen plays Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor. Jerry Seinfeld is... Jerry Seinfeld (and by far the worst regular on his TV show). Hell, comedians often SAY they're not good actors.

Stories can compensate for dramatic moments that do not hit. But when a funny scene isn't funny... it's dead in the water.
 
Apparently the right wing echo-chamber is all a flutter with tu quoques, everything anti-white supremacist and anti-Trump uttered by comedians is being shared in defense of Roseanne's racist Tweet.
 
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